VA GOP to require loyalty oath in presidential primary

[Ausm]

So true look at Obummers youth and the man . Your words really hit home here.The guy polished up real well and look at what we got the biggest turd ever.

I rather deal with that turd even tho he is further to the Right then Clinton then any Jackass coming from the GOP.

 

[Ausm]

I hate to break up the left-fest, but you guys may be surprised what you find out when you wikipedia the term, "closed primary."

Crack kills too....

 

[Nemesis 1]

I rather deal with that turd even tho he is further to the Right then Clinton then any Jackass coming from the GOP.

So your new to the USA. Sorry about what happened to the USSR befor ya left. GO back fight the good fight for your socialist state.

 

[cybrsage]

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/.../28/1/paul-top-gop-primary-ballot-ar-1572784/

Basically, the VA Republicans are telling people that they have to promise to vote Republican -- whoever the eventual nominee will be -- in order to participate in the Republican primary, or else they will not be allowed to vote at all.

So in essence, people have to make up their minds right now to vote Republican, no matter who the candidate is, and they will not be free to change their minds come November.

Tell me again that Republicans are not trying to suppress voting. I need another laugh.

Did you even read the link you provided? It says nothing about the general election. It says this:

The pledge will require the voter to sign and to print his name beneath a line that says: “I, the undersigned, pledge that I intend to support the nominee of the Republican Party for president.”

This means that all the Paulistinians will have to stop saying everyone but Paul is evil if they want to take part in the primary. They will need to support the candidate that gets voted in by the primary.

At least that is what I got out of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Did you even read the link you provided? It says nothing about the general election. It says this:



This means that all the Paulistinians will have to stop saying everyone but Paul is evil if they want to take part in the primary. They will need to support the candidate that gets voted in by the primary.

At least that is what I got out of it.

Of course that's what you got out of it, your abilities to perform mental gymnastics being what they are.

What it means is that Repubs are desperate to rally the troops, except there's nobody the rank & file or the Teahadists want to rally behind... particularly not in the Virginia primary, where both Gingrich & Perry are out...

Ron Paul vs Romney - now there's a dilemma, huh?

Republicans hoisted by their own petard-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ables-on-gop/2011/12/29/gIQA9LzMPP_story.html

You go, Ron Paul!

I just love the Circus....

 

[SilthDraeth]

So, I read the full article, and the reason they require the pledge, is because anyone can vote in the primary, ie democrats, and republicans. So they want to make sure that if dems are voting for the GOP nominee, then they will be supporting them during the presidency.

Not saying I agree with all the back and forth stuff, but VA has apparently had pledges by both parties for quite a while now.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, I read the full article, and the reason they require the pledge, is because anyone can vote in the primary, ie democrats, and republicans. So they want to make sure that if dems are voting for the GOP nominee, then they will be supporting them during the presidency.

Not saying I agree with all the back and forth stuff, but VA has apparently had pledges by both parties for quite a while now.

And how would any of that "make sure", anyway, given the secret ballot? Have Repubs mastered the art of secret mooslim Kenyan voodoo time warp mind control?

 

[SilthDraeth]

And how would any of that "make sure", anyway, given the secret ballot? Have Repubs mastered the art of secret mooslim Kenyan voodoo time warp mind control?

It sounded like Democrats could do the same thing for democratic primaries.

Like I said, I don't agree with it, and obviously having secret ballots makes the enforcement of the pledge a non issue.

But as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, people who make a pledge/oath to vote for someone will probably have a higher chance of voting the way they pledged, than if they didn't have to make it.

Even privately, people like to think of themselves as honest, and that has a large bearing on making decisions.

 

[Craig234]

And how would any of that "make sure", anyway, given the secret ballot? Have Repubs mastered the art of secret mooslim Kenyan voodoo time warp mind control?

Ron Paul has. Have you seen some posters?

 

[senseamp]

So to be an honest Virginia Republican, you have to be ready to support Ron Paul or Michelle Bachman

 

[Fern]

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/.../28/1/paul-top-gop-primary-ballot-ar-1572784/

Basically, the VA Republicans are telling people that they have to promise to vote Republican -- whoever the eventual nominee will be -- in order to participate in the Republican primary, or else they will not be allowed to vote at all.

So in essence, people have to make up their minds right now to vote Republican, no matter who the candidate is, and they will not be free to change their minds come November.

Tell me again that Republicans are not trying to suppress voting. I need another laugh.

The state has open primaries. I think those are stupid. My state allows those registered as independents to vote in either (but not both IIRC).

Democratic voters don't need to vote in any Dem primary. They are essentially free to vote in the Repub primary.

So,

1. They are essentially just trying to keep Dems from voting in the Repub primary. And

2. Yes, they want to repress Dems from voting the in the Repub primary.

It makes sense to me. It's the Repub's primary to run as they see fit. I can understand them not wanting Dems voting in it.

Fern

 

[Ausm]

So your new to the USA. Sorry about what happened to the USSR befor ya left. GO back fight the good fight for your socialist state.

You need to take a teleporter out of the 80's and join us in 2011.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You need to take a teleporter out of the 80's and join us in 2011.

No you need to go back in time move to russia or USSR and enjoy your socialistic ideas . Good luck getting people to work and do quality work won't ever happen. Not without WWIII

 

[Nemesis 1]

The state has open primaries. I think those are stupid. My state allows those registered as independents to vote in either (but not both IIRC).

Democratic voters don't need to vote in any Dem primary. They are essentially free to vote in the Repub primary.

So,

1. They are essentially just trying to keep Dems from voting in the Repub primary. And

2. Yes, they want to repress Dems from voting the in the Repub primary.

It makes sense to me. It's the Repub's primary to run as they see fit. I can understand them not wanting Dems voting in it.

Fern

Congrats on the correct reasoning behind this . But look what ya did . You ruined the party

 

[Jhhnn]

The state has open primaries. I think those are stupid. My state allows those registered as independents to vote in either (but not both IIRC).

Democratic voters don't need to vote in any Dem primary. They are essentially free to vote in the Repub primary.

So,

1. They are essentially just trying to keep Dems from voting in the Repub primary. And

2. Yes, they want to repress Dems from voting the in the Repub primary.

It makes sense to me. It's the Repub's primary to run as they see fit. I can understand them not wanting Dems voting in it.

Fern

Congrats on the correct reasoning behind this . But look what ya did . You ruined the party

Lameness, gentlemen. Oaths will not deter anybody set on subterfuge, which is what you suggest as happening and as a remedy for it.

I remember Rush exhorting Repubs to vote for Hillary in open primary states so as to create problems for Dems... obvious subterfuge. I haven't noticed any such exhortations for similar action by Dems this season...

Virginia Repubs shot themselves in the foot w/o assistance from anybody else...

Romney vs Ron Paul- pragmatic practitioner of the black arts of corporate looting vs iconoclastic panderer to racism & faux libertarian mumbo-jumbo... w/ added gold buggery.

It's a match made in Heaven- a true reflection of modern Republicanism- get the popcorn. Whoever wins, the loser will blame crossover Dems...

 

[J-Money]

Problem is you break the oath you go to Hell.

Because that's how the Republicans roll.

 

[cybrsage]

Of course that's what you got out of it, your abilities to perform mental gymnastics being what they are.

What it means is that Repubs are desperate to rally the troops, except there's nobody the rank & file or the Teahadists want to rally behind... particularly not in the Virginia primary, where both Gingrich & Perry are out...

Ron Paul vs Romney - now there's a dilemma, huh?

Republicans hoisted by their own petard-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ables-on-gop/2011/12/29/gIQA9LzMPP_story.html

You go, Ron Paul!

I just love the Circus....

I think it is funny that you claim I am using mental gymnastics, then go on an anti-republican rant. I bet you do not even realize you said nothing but rants during your entire post...you honestly think you said something of import.

 

[dawp]

It's really immaterial anyways. Most who vote in the primaries will never crossover to the other side in the national. They may go independent, but for a republican to vote democrat and vise versa will never happen.

 

[cybrsage]

In PA, we can only vote in our own party's primary. I always look at both presidential candidates when voting, though. So far, I have been basically forced to vote against people (which is sad), rather than for people. I will vote for a D candidate if a good one is ever brought out. I voted for a second term for Clinton - I did not like Dole.

 

[Jhhnn]

Did you even read the link you provided? It says nothing about the general election. It says this:

This means that all the Paulistinians will have to stop saying everyone but Paul is evil if they want to take part in the primary. They will need to support the candidate that gets voted in by the primary.

At least that is what I got out of it.

I think it is funny that you claim I am using mental gymnastics, then go on an anti-republican rant. I bet you do not even realize you said nothing but rants during your entire post...you honestly think you said something of import.

Let's review. You offered that the pledge has nothing to do with the general election, even though those who take it pledge themselves to support the Repub candidate in general, which obviously means the general election...

Wait... What? Did you just put a camel through the eye of a needle, then claim you didn't?

You then take off on the Paulistas, as if they'll ever support anybody but the eventual Repub nominee, en masse, and as if a pledge is necessary & will hold the few who don't...

You support nonsense with even more elaborate nonsense of obfuscation... because it's your team, right?

I can't help it if Virginia Repubs have screwed themselves and are desperately thrashing about in attempts to deny it. And I can't help but find some delicious irony in the fact that the Gingrich campaign in Virginia was brought down by the same stuff that Repubs used against ACORN, either. Sweet justice in that one.

 

[CallMeJoe]

IIRC, Virginia (like South Carolina) does not have voter registration by party affiliation.
This is just the state Republican Party's attempt to keep Democrats from trying to Limbaugh the primary by voting for the weaker candidate.
The danger they run is in alienating Independents by effectively telling them they are not welcome to support their preferred Republican candidate, which could result in Republican nominee who is significantly weaker in the general election than in a closed party primary
If they want to hobble themselves thusly, who are we to criticize?

 

[Craig234]

Seems to me Republicans are convinced many of their Republican primary voters are going to want to vote for Obama by the general, and they want to prevent it.