Utterly Loved NForce2 Motherboards !!!

SFang

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I am an Asus lover, I am very satisfied with my A7N8X motherboard purchased from Googlegear two weeks ago. Having been fighting with Epox NForce2 owners on numerous threads, I don't want to start any more flame war here ;). I want to give all the credits to Nvidia for making such a great chipset that allow me to achieve unprecedented overclocking success.

I am in no way an expert overclocker. I have been overclocking since AMD1.2G AXIA, reached only minor success, and still air cooling until now. After won an AMD 2400+ processor from AMD events at Boston last month, I decided to upgrade my system, purchased an NForce2 motherboard A7N8X to continue supporting AMD. :D

I unlocked the CPU as instructed at some websites by using a thin copper wire. After installing the new system, from my old Asus P4B266-C motherboard I unpluged two sticks of Crucial PC2100 256M DIMM, and put them on the A7N8X. This pair of RAMs can only reach 144FSB on P4B266-C before. However, The first thing I noticed is the RAMs ran very smooth on this motherboard (probably just my imagination :)). As I increased the FSB, I am surprised to see the system reached over FSB160 stable. At FSB163, I start to raise DDR voltage to eliminate some Prime95 errors. At FSB166, I hit a wall, I adjusted CPU volts and DDR volts numerous times, still can't make it pass Prime95 5hr+ without error. Finally, I swapped RAMs from DIMM 1,3(black,blue) to 2,3(double blue) position. I found a sweet spot, CPU volt 1.8V, DDR volt 2.7v, passed Prime95 10+hrs no error. :D

This morning, after browsing Anandtech whole night, I begin to thinking raising the FSB again. This time, everything has been smooth, 2 Mhz each time step by step, I can't barely hold my breath when I see the system still stable passing 181FSB. This is XP2400+@2260Mhz !! My God, I can't believe it, my poor little Crucial PC2100 DIMM is doing 181FSB !!:D:D
I remembered I tested this pair of RAMs on my third motherboard Abit IT7 before, it can only reach 150FSB stable by raising voltage to 2.7V. And now, 180FSB, Wow!

I guess there must be something mysterious and successful with the NForce2 "Sync" mode, which can unlock the potential of the Crucial PC2100 RAMs. Also, I remember some Anandtech member said Asus recommend to use the two blue DIMM socket over other combinations, which is exactly what I did to pass 166FSB. The Athlon XP2400+ too, has been a wonder reaching 2260Mhz with just air cooling. Currently, my CPU idle 40C, load 45C, motherboard 34C.

Here are the Benchmarks I just gathered:

Sandra CPU Arithmetic..................: ALU 8506 FPU 3407
Sandra CPU Multimedia.................: Integer 12578 Float 13354
Sandra Memory Bandwidth...........: Integer 2722 Float 2613
CPUID ..........................................: 2264.75Mhz 12.5 X 181.18Mhz

My current Rig & BIOS Setting:

CPU:
Athlon XP 2400+ Throughbred B (Unlocked)
AIUGB 0244WPFW AXDA2400DKV3C
Motherboard:
Asus A7N8X Deluxe NForce2 Double DDR
Memory:
Crucial PC2100 256MB X 2 in 2nd,3rd DIMM socket

Overclocking BIOS setup:
1.FSB/AGP/PCI...............: 181/66/33
2.CPU Multiplier.............: 12.5X
3.CPU Vcore Voltage......: 1.8V
4.DRAM Voltage.............: 2.7V
5 DRAM Timing...............: 2.5-6-3-3
6.AGP.............................: 66Mhz
7.AGP Aperture Size.......: 64MB
8.Primary Video Card......: AGP

Bad news is my system will crash out of Windows XP at FSB185,
I am still investigating the reason...... ;)

UPDATE: After maxed out CPU, DDR Vcore, and up DDR timings, I reached 200Mhz FSB Sync Mode. Here is the updated benchmarks and configurations. :D

Temperature:
CPU idle 42C, load 47C, Motherboard 35C.

Benchmarks:

Sandra CPU Arithmetic..................: ALU 8663 FPU 3446
Sandra CPU Multimedia.................: Integer 12802 Float 13604
Sandra Memory Bandwidth...........: Integer 3119 Float 2946
CPUID ..........................................: 2305.22Mhz 11.5 X 200.45Mhz

Overclocking BIOS setup:
1.FSB/AGP/PCI...............: 200/66/33
2.CPU Multiplier.............: 11.5X
3.CPU Vcore Voltage......: 1.85V
4.DRAM Voltage.............: 2.8V
5 DRAM Timing...............: 2.5-7-3-3
6.AGP.............................: 66Mhz
7.AGP Aperture Size.......: 64MB
8.Primary Video Card......: AGP

Update: I end up reinstalling WindowsXP after numerous crashes. :( I purchased three 256MB Samsung PC2100 DDRs to replaced the highly OCed Crucial 2100, currently stable @11.5x192FSB 2.5-2-2-5 at default DDR Vcore. With newly purchased Radeon 9700 Pro, 3dMarks2001se scored 15850 at stock speed. :)
 

jpbushido99

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That sucks I was running the same configuration, but on an epox, but I fried my system. I don't like Asus, too expensive, I am convinced it was a flook and I am going to continue OCing my comp. Epox forever....:);):(:eek::disgust::D:|:Q:p:cool::frown::confused:
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SpideyCU

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Ooooookay. No more smilies for you young man!

Anyhow, I've experienced the same thing ('cept on my Epox of course ;)) - that Crucial PC2100 memory will overclock ridiculously well. I'm not quite sure why, but, damn, it's quality stuff. I'm glad I didn't spend money buying some PC2700 or higher because I'm doing just fine sticking with this stuff. About 9 month or so ago I put heat spreaders on the RAM (from ThermalTake) to make sure I didn't mess with karma, I thought that was the reason they didn't mind going so high. But since you've got the same scenario...well, it's not a stretch to see the common denominator here.

Just for the record, I constantly run my system at 166 MHz sync'ed busses, but occasionally I push it a bit higher for some heavy gaming. ;) Go Crucial.
 

jpbushido99

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Ok are you still using your Epox MB or are you OCing your memory on a new MB. I am using 1 stick of Kingston, and one stick of OCZ, DDR 2100. :);):(:eek::disgust::D:|:Q:p:Q:|:D:disgust::D:|:Q:|:D:disgust::D:|:Q:|:D:|:Q
 

jamautosound

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What fan are you using with your Alpha?

Nice OC btw.

...and I'm just one post away from heading over to forum issues to complain about the number of goofy faces one can place in one's post.;)
 

SFang

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Originally posted by: SpideyCU
Ooooookay. No more smilies for you young man!

Anyhow, I've experienced the same thing ('cept on my Epox of course ;)) - that Crucial PC2100 memory will overclock ridiculously well. I'm not quite sure why, but, damn, it's quality stuff. I'm glad I didn't spend money buying some PC2700 or higher because I'm doing just fine sticking with this stuff. About 9 month or so ago I put heat spreaders on the RAM (from ThermalTake) to make sure I didn't mess with karma, I thought that was the reason they didn't mind going so high. But since you've got the same scenario...well, it's not a stretch to see the common denominator here.

Just for the record, I constantly run my system at 166 MHz sync'ed busses, but occasionally I push it a bit higher for some heavy gaming. ;) Go Crucial.

Same thing here. I put the same ThermalTake heat spreaders on the RAMs too, look here.. I don't know how much heat they spreads, but the blues sure look very cool in my system. :D
 

SpideyCU

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Yup, those are the ones I've got. They're nice little goodies.

jpbushido, yes, I'm currently using the Epox 8RDA+. Unlike SFang, who's got a spiffy 2400+, I'm only overclocking my little 1600+ (to 1750'ish MHz). But I've got the exact same memory setup - two 256 MB sticks of Crucial PC2100.
 

GoodRevrnd

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Have you considered sacrificing some ram clock to run it at CAS2?

Nice OC btw.
 

SFang

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Originally posted by: jamautosound
What fan are you using with your Alpha?

Nice OC btw.

...and I'm just one post away from heading over to forum issues to complain about the number of goofy faces one can place in one's post.;)

Here from NewEgg ALPHA PAL8045U, got from refurb section early this year, 4000RPM, quiet and cools very well, especially underload. :D
 

SFang

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Originally posted by: GoodRevrnd
Have you considered sacrificing some ram clock to run it at CAS2?

Nice OC btw.

Tried some CAS2 during the time I was struggling with 166FSB, not very stable, the highest CAS2 achieved is only 150FSB. Havn't tried change timings after I swapped the RAM over 166FSB, my guess from current OCing on this system is that anything above 166FSB other than SPD speed 2.5-6-3-3 will make the system unstable, not only higher but lower too. Wierd huh...
 

SFang

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Guess what, it is not my Crucial limiting my OCing. It is the CPU, after jump the CPU Vcore to 1.85V(the highest), lower CPU multi to 12X, and raise FSB to 192Mhz, I am currently running 2.3Ghz, Wowhoo!:cool: However, Anything higher than that will not be able to boot into WindowsXP :(

I will continue test it... will post results later...
 

Regalk

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SFang
Here is my FINAL setup 195 x 9.5
A7N8X Dlx
Tbred 1700+ Volcano7+ at med speed
Crucial PC2100 2 x 256
Antec 300W

First I stabilized at 193 x 10 (6,3,3,2.5) with Vcore at 1.675 and Vdimm at 2.7 but experienced cold boot problems. Sandra score 3000/2805. Last night after running for a week at 193 x 10 I decided the cold boot problems were not going to go away so I dropped to 195 x 9.5 = 1853. Crucial is still at 6 3 3 2.5 (gosh i love these 2 sticks) and now everything is rock stable.
Lost a bit on Sandra but still scores 2906/2691 and now I can drop my vcore at 1.575v. The system is much cooler now - idle 40C and 45C load.
SO I say sometimes you have to watch the vcore - the higher it is the more stability problems arise. It would have helped if I had a bigger PS - but for a small loss in speed I am now able to run on the Antec 300W easily.
 

SFang

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Finally, I reached 200MhzFSB. :D:D:D

After lower the CPU Multi again, raised DDR volt to 2.8, lower DDR timings from 2.5-3-3-6 to 2.5-3-3-7, I am currently staying at

11.5 X 200Mhz = 2.3 Ghz

Benchmark scores have been added to the first post. I guess that's it for my system, I experienced several crashes before reaching this point due to the too aggressive setting, I don't want to rebuild Windows afterwards. Everything has been maxed out, CPU Vcore, DDR Vcore, etc. The next available BIOS FSB is 204Mhz, I guess I would never reach there. Or maybe will later? :D

[Update] The cold boot problem is gone now, I guess it is not cold boot, only because I overclocked the FSB too high.:eek: Now, stay with 190FSB, everything has been perfect. No problem at all, stable as rock. :D
 

SFang

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Originally posted by: MichaelMuck
humm, mine is at 210 at 2.77v 2522 running great

Nice OC !! You are saying 2.77v Vcore if I am not error here. How did you get that high? :frown:
 

jpbushido99

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Hey man calm your voltages down a bit, I am sure that you want to use your comp for a while, at such hi voltages your going to ruin your memory and your proc. I am sure running it at 2 or 1.9Ghz is fast enough. You might end up like me having to wait a week and a half to get my board back because I pushed it too high. By the way Epox till I die.:);):(:eek::(;):):);):(:eek::(;):);):(:eek::(;):);):(:eek::(;):);):(:eek::disgust::eek::(;):);):(:eek::disgust::eek::(;):(:eek::disgust::eek::(;):(:eek:
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SFang

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By the way Epox till I die.

I hear ya. ;)

Yes, I just lower the CPU Vcore to my original 1.8V, and DDR Vcore to 2.7V. Currently, running 11.5*192@2.2G, Prime95 passed one hour no error yet.
 

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Originally posted by: SFang
By the way Epox till I die.

I hear ya. ;)

Yes, I just lower the CPU Vcore to my original 1.8V, and DDR Vcore to 2.7V. Currently, running 11.5*192@2.2G, Prime95 passed one hour no error yet.

EPoX is good. but not the BEST (I don't think)
happy (now) with my 4PEA+ but the p4's performance leaves some to be desired.
 

Celstar

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Whats the copper wire unlocking method you used? Link to the website? Thanks, that's an awesome overclock. I'm still running at 133 fsb stock speeds with my 2400+ and a7n8x. :(
 

SFang

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Originally posted by: Celstar
Whats the copper wire unlocking method you used? Link to the website? Thanks, that's an awesome overclock. I'm still running at 133 fsb stock speeds with my 2400+ and a7n8x. :(

Link below

How to unlock AMD Tbred 2400+

Before you do that, do you mind telling me whether it is possible for you to get 13x, 14x multiplier on your locked 2400+ over A7N8X? I unlocked my processor in my first installation, never got a chance to figure it out. I asked questions in this thread, but no one seems to be sure. Thanks. :)
 

Celstar

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the multipliers are certainly availible in terms of the options being there, but whether the multipliers actually works is a different story. I couldn't get any multiplier other than 15 to post without it saying that cpu is overclocked. maybe im not doing something right, hopes that answers your question.

i'll try out that copper wire trick.... quick question, doesn't the copper wire get in the way of the cpu installation ?
 

SFang

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The wire loop is very tiny, it should be no problem for the installation of the CPU. Just be careful not to let the wire loop fall off the CPU pin. What I did is to put the motherboard upside down on top of the CPU, instead of put the CPU on the motherboard. It is confusing, isn't it. ;)
 

Technonut

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It would be less time consuming to use conductive paint between the base of the pins for unlocking. I had to do the same thing with the 2100+ MPs that I have. It just took a sharp toothpick to apply. It is easy to take some nail polish remover to get rid of in case of RMA. I also volt modded my P4 in this way instead of wire wrapping.