Utah just released their evolution position statement.

DrPizza

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*sigh* I figured this fit into P&N, but inevitably it's going to break down into the typical fight. Anyway, I thought that their wording was some of the best wording I've seen in a stance on evolution. AND, given the demographics of Utah, I was a little surprised (or perhaps I'm not as familiar with the demographics as I thought.) Anyway, here

Now, before you read it, I'm not interested in a debate on evolution vs. creation vs. intelligent design vs. whatever else.

But, I'm wondering if others find it surprising from Utah how firmly they intend to keep evolution in the curriculum and have no mention of any alternatives.

For you all to view:

Utah State Board of Education Position Statement on Teaching Evolution
The Theory of Evolution is a major unifying concept in science and appropriately
included in Utah?s K-12 Science Core Curriculum.
This position is consistent with that taken by the National Academy of Sciences, the
American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), and most other
scientific and educational organizations. The Utah State Board of Education and these
organizations affirm science as an essential way of understanding for all students and the
importance of evolution as a unifying concept in science.
Science: A Way of Knowing
Science is a distinctive way of understanding the natural world. Science seeks to increase
our understanding through empirical evidence. As a way of knowing, science assumes
that anything that can be observed or measured is amenable to scientific investigation.
By the very nature of scientific inquiry, there are infinite possibilities for further
refinement of current knowledge and understanding.
Understanding may be derived from sources and perspectives other than science such as
historical and logical analyses, art, religion and philosophy. These sources rely upon
other ways of knowing, such as emotion and faith. While these ways of understanding
and creating meaning are important to individuals and society, they are not amenable to
scientific investigation and thus not appropriate for inclusion in the science curriculum.
Science relies nearly exclusively on observation and empirical evidence. Since progress
in the modern world is tied so closely to this way of knowing, scientific literacy is
essential for a society to be competitively engaged in a global economy.
Evolution: A Unifying Concept
Evolution in the broadest sense can be defined as the idea that the universe has a history
and has changed over time. Observation of the galaxies, stars, planet Earth, and life on
Earth clearly demonstrates that significant changes have occurred. There is abundant and
consistent evidence from astronomy, physics, biochemistry, geochronology, geology,
biology, anthropology, and other sciences that evolution has taken place. This evidence
is found in widely divergent areas, from the geologic fossil record to DNA analysis.
Evolution is an ongoing process with crucial implications for disciplines such as
medicine, agriculture, and conservation biology. The Theory of Evolution provides a
unifying basis upon which the elements of life are understood and upon which
predictions can be made. Moreover, viewing present-day organisms as products of
evolution provides the most productive framework for investigating and understanding
their structure and function. As such, evolution is a unifying concept for science and
provides the foundation for understanding nature. The National Science Education
Standards from the National Academies of Science and Benchmarks for Science Literacy
from the American Association for the Advancement of Science identify evolution as a
unifying concept across the major disciplines of science. Scientific disciplines with
strong historical components -- such as astronomy, geology, biology, and anthropology --
rely upon the concepts of evolution to understand the nature of changes that have
occurred or can be predicted.
There is little or no debate among credible scientists about whether evolution has taken
place. However, since our understanding is still incomplete, there is considerable and
productive debate about processes of evolution. Research questions remain, and
scientists often disagree about their explanations, as they should. The nature of science
encourages ongoing and meaningful investigation of all assertions made by science.
Scientific conclusions are tested by experiment and observation as all scientific theories
are subject to continued evaluation.
While some describe the principle of evolution as ?just a theory,? the scientific definition
of a theory is far more rigorous than may be commonly understood. In science, a theory
is a systematic explanation of observed phenomena. It must be consistent with all natural
laws and withstand the scrutiny and inquiry of the scientific community. The National
Academy of Sciences has stated, "Evolution is one of the strongest and most useful
scientific theories we have." As a fundamental scientific concept, evolution is a
necessary part of science classroom instruction, and it will continue to be taught and
progressively refined as a key scientific principle.
Student Beliefs and Teaching Evolution
Teachers should be aware that students bring with them a set of beliefs. Teachers and
students should respect and be nonjudgmental about students' beliefs, and teachers should
help students understand that science is an essential way of knowing. Teachers should
encourage students to discuss any seeming conflicts with their parents or religious
leaders. Science teachers should make available to interested parents their planned
instruction and the context for that instruction.

 

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that's definitely one of the most well versed statements on evolution and education that i've seen. it's suprising of course that it's coming out of Utah. i like how they took a firm stance regarding evolution. hopefully other states will follow in Utah's path (how many times has that been said? :p).
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: bdude
I have faith in our education system.

Hehehehe well put

wow you actually didn't mention Bush/Republicans and their negative aspects in one of your posts.:confused:
you're slacking, dave
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: smack Down
How sad is it that Utah is making other states look like fundies
How sad it is that those states who cowtow to the fundies make such fools of themselves. It's even sadder that they foist their religious ooga-booga on their kids. :(
 

artikk

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: smack Down
How sad is it that Utah is making other states look like fundies
How sad it is that those states who cowtow to the fundies make such fools of themselves. It's even sadder that they foist their religious ooga-booga on their kids. :(

I can see how you tolerate religion and people that follow it, very clearly.

 

Todd33

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Wow, Utah? The same people who make 14 year old girls into celestial wives?
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Wow, Utah? The same people who make 14 year old girls into celestial wives?

yep, same one. They sent missionaries here to London Ontario once...
 

rickn

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so now utah accepts that we all came from a cumquat. Now they can serve up more sex on a plate
 

Zebo

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To be expected. Anyone with more than half a brain can understand evolution. Most undergraduate biology students have seen it before thier very eyes in labs
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Zebo
To be expected. Anyone with more than half a brain can understand evolution. Most undergraduate biology students have seen it before thier very eyes in labs

you're crazy. everyone knows that Adam and Eve were the first humans. Eve with her sculptured hourglass figure, full and voluptuous bossom that gave adam serious wood. Course Adam wasn't forgotten, with his 6-pack abs, freshly waxed back, and sporting a pair of CK briefs that Eve was all to eager to nibble off. Even the wilderness animals were jealous! :D

Isn't that about how Evangelicals think?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: artikk
I can see how you tolerate religion and people that follow it, very clearly.
No, what you can see clearly is what I believe. I also believe everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Their right stops at about the point where they insist on imposing those beliefs on me and others who do not share those beliefs.

Read the part of Utah statement about the definition of theory:
While some describe the principle of evolution as ?just a theory,? the scientific definition of a theory is far more rigorous than may be commonly understood. In science, a theory is a systematic explanation of observed phenomena. It must be consistent with all natural laws and withstand the scrutiny and inquiry of the scientific community.
Then, if it really matters to you, you can search some of my past posts where I've said exactly the same thing. You'll also find that I pointed out that it takes exactly one case where a theory does not hold up to disprove it.

If you're so in doubt about the theory of evolution, go ahead and provide us all with any link to a competent disproof.

If you happen to believe in "Intelligent Design" go ahead and provide us with one competent proof that it's real.

If you can't do either of those, you're still entitled to your beliefs, but please keep it in your church. You're not entitled to foist your fantasies on innocent kids through the public school system.
 

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Donny Osmond sang it so well: "Well I'm going back to Utah, Utah is the place where I want to BE!!"

Wow, who'd have thought...Utah...

Future Shock
 

Bitek

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The value of a strong education is a critical pillar in Mormonism. Perhasp this is why we see this. However, talking to most Mormons, few of them actually believe the above is true.

Perhaps their faith is stronger than all the fundy evangelicals that need to banish anything that may challange their shaky beliefs.
 

nakedfrog

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Well done. I do hope their public schools have improved since I went there for grades 5-8.
 

judasmachine

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I have to agree with Hafen.

They tell their children what the world believes, then tell them what they believe. Which isn't a bad way to be if that's what you believe.

 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Hafen
The value of a strong education is a critical pillar in Mormonism. Perhasp this is why we see this. However, talking to most Mormons, few of them actually believe the above is true.

Perhaps their faith is stronger than all the fundy evangelicals that need to banish anything that may challange their shaky beliefs.

It's perfectly fine for them to not believe in it, but the statement shows that they accept it as the standard for scientific education and research. In spite of the many things said about them, as I understand it the mormons don't believe you have to be a mormon to achieve heaven, which is a great approach to have, as it shows tolerance towards other religions that many lack.
 

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I was under the impression that Utah was no longer a predominately Mormon state. In fact I thought most of Utah's elected officials were elected on platforms that wanted to reign in the laws that were passed years ago when Utah was dominated by Mormons.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: artikk
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: bdude
I have faith in our education system.

Hehehehe well put

wow you actually didn't mention Bush/Republicans and their negative aspects in one of your posts.:confused:
you're slacking, dave

I know, because I have to focus more on the campaign.

Getting back to Office & finances after Katrina rolled through.