Utah Convict Chooses Firing Squad - Going out like a man

[waggy]

The guys volunteered to be on the squad, I think they sleep just fine at night.
I wonder how much of his personality was effected due to his addictions as a child.

im betting a large portion of his personality was effected due to his childhood. it seemed as if his parents didn't care if he lived or died. that has a effect on a child.

its no wonder he turned to drugs and violence. I am happy that before he died he changed and took responsibility for his actions.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Not necessarily. You are not accounting for the hydraulic effect of a couple thousand foot pounds of energy, a significant proportion of which is transferred the organ connected to all of the largest blood vessels in the body including those going to the brain. It often has the effect of bursting blood vessels in the brain. Instant lights out. Saw the effect many times in heart and lung shot deer when deer hunting. Blood would even leak from the ears sometimes.

The bullet isn't hitting the guy with any more force than what hits your shoulder.

Take a read through this document by Dr. Gary Roberts. Hydrostatic shock really doesn't happen. Yes, some thing do go kablooey real good when hit just right, but for the vast, vast majority of the time, if you shoot someone with a .30cal bullet, you're making a .30cal hole.

In Army Times a few years back, a soldier mishandled a .50cal M2 and pushed the gun into a truck by the barrel. The trigger caught on something in the truck and discharged. Went through his hand and through his heart. Guy was alive for a couple of minutes. Obviously nothing the medics could do.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Misc_Documents/Roberts_2008NDIA.pdf

Bigger bullets = bigger holes.

But this is getting tangential to the subject, sorry op.

 

[darkxshade]

So theoretically, what would happen if by some act of miracle, none of the shots hit him in the heart and he's alive? Would they let him bleed out and die or would they try to save his life?

 

[LTC8K6]

The bullet isn't hitting the guy with any more force than what hits your shoulder.

That's one of the hardest things to get people to understand. They want to talk about knockdown power...which doesn't even exist with small arms. Not even with a fifty.

 

[LTC8K6]

So theoretically, what would happen if by some act of miracle, none of the shots hit him in the heart and he's alive? Would they let him bleed out and die or would they try to save his life?

Someone finishes him off with a shot to the head, iirc.

 

[nick1985]

They use .30 caliber rifles.

A reporter help up a bullet, it looked like a 30-30

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

The bullet isn't hitting the guy with any more force than what hits your shoulder.

Wrong. A lot of the energy is expended into cycling the bolt for the next round as well as through the muzzle brake, heat energy, etc.. My .50 BMG specifically states to not take off the muzzle brake or it could cause severe damage to the shooter (the expelled gas actually pulls the gun forward a bit to help compensate for the kick.)

A .50 BMG has a muzzle energy of somewhere around 14,000 ft/lbs. Are you telling me that when I shoot it that 14,000 ft/lbs of energy hits my shoulder? Even the most powerfull kicks in martial arts don't come close to 1,000 ft/lbs of energy. Are you telling me that shooting my rifle is the same as having 14 world-class martial artists kick my shoulder at full strength simultaneously?

 

[nick1985]

The bullet isn't hitting the guy with any more force than what hits your shoulder.

So by your logic, if I shot a .22 long rifle into the front of your skull, it wouldnt even break the skin because there is no recoil on my shoulder?

You dont know the first thing about firearms. Thanks for the laugh

 

[QuantumPion]

I would have chosen being dropped into a tank filled with ill-tempered sea bass.

 

[Ns1]

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[epidemis]

He killed a lawyer? And they're punishing him? There is no justice in this world.

I wonder if he killed someone other than someone from the justice system, he would have escaped the death penalty.

 

[waggy]

The bullet isn't hitting the guy with any more force than what hits your shoulder.

not true at all.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Wrong. A lot of the energy is expended into cycling the bolt for the next round as well as through the muzzle brake, heat energy, etc.. My .50 BMG specifically states to not take off the muzzle brake or it could cause severe damage to the shooter (the expelled gas actually pulls the gun forward a bit to help compensate for the kick.)

A .50 BMG has a muzzle energy of somewhere around 14,000 ft/lbs. Are you telling me that when I shoot it that 14,000 ft/lbs of energy hits my shoulder? Even the most powerfull kicks in martial arts don't come close to 1,000 ft/lbs of energy. Are you telling me that shooting my rifle is the same as having 14 world-class martial artists kick my shoulder at full strength simultaneously?

Yes yes, I forgot I'm in the land of Internet experts. Yes it's mitigated through the weight of the rifle itself, cycling of the action, etc. So yes it's not a 1:1, but it's not like the guy is getting hit with a nuclear explosion. There is no "knockdown" power with small arms. You can take a .308 to the chest and still stand, no problem.

A .50cal round is still just making a .50cal hole barring any deformation or yawing.

 

[Jzero]

not true at all.

It's counterintuitive but this is Newtons 3rd Law at work.

 

[Zebo]

Not before sucking the prison and justice system for 25 years. Scumbag probably cost millions of dollar that could have been used for education or roads.

I like the way Saudi does it. Within month max trial is over then head chopped in public square as a warning to would be felons. I've seen a few live it really makes you think twice.

Every Friday they would do it. Friday is their Sunday and one time I was flicking channels and there is only 3 channels, all state run, all religious and they showed it on all of them. Next time I had to go see it live. Thousands there and quite an experience.

 

[marvdmartian]

This makes that guy claiming to be allergic to anesthetic look like a real bitch....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100423/ap_on_re_us/us_utah_firing_squad

SALT LAKE CITY – Utah is set to execute a convicted killer by firing squad after a judge agreed Friday to the inmate's request, renewing a debate over what critics see as an antiquated, Old West-style of justice.

I agree with your first point. But this guy shot an unarmed man to death while he was in court for a trial where he was accused/convicted of murder!! Talk about incorrigible!! D:

Then, to top it off, he spent the last 25 years helping his lawyer(s) come up with appeal after appeal, riding the system for all it was worth, in an attempt to get his sentence reduced to life in prison. Yeah, that's what they need, is an asshole like this in general population! Finally, his last ditch appeal was basically, "You can't put me to death because I've already been on death row for 25 years, and it would be cruel and unusual punishment (violation of his 8th amendment rights) to put me to death after making me wait so long".

Yeah, that's right. It would be cruel and unusual punishment to put him to death after 25 years on death row, even though that long delay was caused by him in the first place!!

I'm glad to see this human piece of excrement gone from the earth. The only two ways they could have improved on it would be:
1. if they gave each rifleman more than 1 bullet. hell, give 'em a whole damn "banana clip" magazine, and let 'em spend a minute or so filling this asshole with lead........you know, just to be sure!
2. if they'd televise it. put it on prime time. might get some punk ass kid who's thinking of using a gun or other weapon in the commission of a crime another chance to consider that maybe it's not such a great idea. :hmm: