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UT3

I tried it for a bit and didnt like it. They get prettier and less entertaining with each installment.

One day I may go back and install UT and see who's online, but not anytime soon.
 
J&R has it for $15 but I have no idea if anyone is still playing this. Anyone here know?
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Nobody ever really did. That was the game's biggest shortcoming.

The invasion mod for it has made the game worthwhile though. Even in single player, it's still more fun than a lot of other FPSs I've played in the last few years.
 
that sucks. I must have logged 1000 hours of ut04. oh well, here's hoping ut4/2010/whatever reclaims the crown.

speaking of which, whered they go so wrong with this one? besides taking away the jump after the dodge i mean. Sure was pretty lookin.
 
There wasn't much wrong with the game itself, except for a number of annoyances with the interface. However, the small gameplay changes they made to each game in the series fragmented the UT community over time. The general style of gameplay is also unforgiving to noobs and has fallen out of fashion these days.
 
I play UT3 every day for hours. I love it so much, it's unreal! I am the biggest UT fanatic there is XD

Unfortunately there aren't very many players. I have three servers favorited, two DM and one Warfare. That's pretty much the only online places I go to. One is called Liandri DM I think and the other is UM League, the warfare one is also UM League.
 
Originally posted by: Maleficus
No. No one plays any of the UT games online still, except for 2k4 onslaught which I refuse to acknowledge as part of the UT franchise, and UT99 which I just don't really care for in the face of UT2k4's greatness.
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People also pay UT 2004's Invasion Monster Mash RPG mod, which is excellent. Onslaught is a great game too. Sadly, UT99 activity is more or less dead, at least for regular weapons CTF though people still play on modded servers. It is also possible to find organized regular weapons CTF matches in the pro community if you know how to use IRC and where to look. (Try irc.GameRadius.net #speedpug.)

UT3 proved to be an Epic failure for a number of reasons. Although it's basic gameplay and feel are sound, the retail game was released as a buggy beta and the user interface and server browser were highly consolized. The server browser barely functioned when the game was released and you couldn't even add Favorites. (I have no idea why Epic released the game in such a sorry state; it's possible that Midway forced them to release when it needed six more months of development.)

Instead of UT3, I recommend buying the Unreal Anthology which you can sometimes find for $8 at GoGamer.com. That will give you the original Unreal game, Unreal 2, the original Unreal Tournament (UT99), and most importantly, UT 2004.
 
Originally posted by: CP5670
There wasn't much wrong with the game itself, except for a number of annoyances with the interface. However, the small gameplay changes they made to each game in the series fragmented the UT community over time. The general style of gameplay is also unforgiving to noobs and has fallen out of fashion these days.
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You make it sound as though the problems with the user interface were "small annoyances". They were not. The UT3 user interface is and was pathetic and unbecoming of the Unreal Tournament name. Going from the UT 2004 UI to the UT3 UI is like going from a loaded Lexus to a stripped down Kia or Yugo. Remember, when this game was released the server browser barely functioned and you could not even make a list of Favorites (!!!).

Also UT3 has gameplay issues and one of its problems is that it has to compete with both UT 2004 and UT99 for the attention of fans of UT 2004 and UT99. Warfare is not a bad game but I don't find it as much fun as Onslaught and Onslaught has far more and better custom maps.

Some of UT3's gameplay issues:

No first person view for vehicles; this is a huge problem for the Raptor. (Who needs first person view when most console FPS games are in third person? That's probably what they were thinking.)

You cannot throw weapons. (They probably couldn't figure out what button the console controls should use for that, so that might be a reason for scrapping it.)

The translocator is still limited. Just ask the UT99 pro and clan community if they think the translocator should be unlimitted like it was in UT99 and the response will be an overwhelming, resounding Yes.

You cannot use keybinds for taunts and communications ("Defend the base." "Enemy flag carrier is here (location).)

Secondary flak shell doesn't feel right. Flak cannon might need more spread.

In Warfare, the vehicle that lays the mine pods that cannot be destroyed needs to be removed. The indestructable mine pods are horrible. I get the sense that their addition was to cater to the less discerning console players.

 
I agree with everything you said WhipperSnapper. None of the problems by themselves are game breakers, but when you add them all together, it makes the game unplayable.
 
The game is completely acceptable as is right now with the current version. Could it be improved further? Yes, but it's not like it's so bad that the game isn't worth picking up right now. People just need to give it a chance. Gameplay tweaks and changes are to be expected in sequels to pretty much any game. If you don't like the new flack canon, that doesn't mean the game is bad. The server browser is still not even close to UT2004's, but it now works with at least basic functionality including favorites. Once you get past the UI and actually begin playing the game(You bought this to play the game, not to browse for servers right?) you will find that the game is exceedingly fun and is one of the most solid multiplayer fps experiences you can have on a modern pc. The game is beautiful, sounds great, and is fun as heck to play.

<- Has played UT99 and UT2003 and UT2004 competitively almost nonstop for years. Easily my favorite shooter series. I feel that UT3 from a gameplay aspect(and that's what matters the most) stands very strongly next to the other Unreal titles. I would rather have a game that is insanely fun to play with a crappy server browser than a game with a pretty user interface and shallow gameplay like Spore, Farcry 2, Red Alert 3, and Crysis(Although Crysis isn't even close to as bad as the others) that people put up with today.
 
Originally posted by: dguy6789
The game is completely acceptable as is right now with the current version. Could it be improved further? Yes, but it's not like it's so bad that the game isn't worth picking up right now. People just need to give it a chance. Gameplay tweaks and changes are to be expected in sequels to pretty much any game. If you don't like the new flack canon, that doesn't mean the game is bad. The server browser is still not even close to UT2004's, but it now works with at least basic functionality including favorites. Once you get past the UI and actually begin playing the game(You bought this to play the game, not to browse for servers right?) you will find that the game is exceedingly fun and is one of the most solid multiplayer fps experiences you can have on a modern pc. The game is beautiful, sounds great, and is fun as heck to play.

<- Has played UT99 and UT2003 and UT2004 competitively almost nonstop for years. Easily my favorite shooter series. I feel that UT3 from a gameplay aspect(and that's what matters the most) stands very strongly next to the other Unreal titles. I would rather have a game that is insanely fun to play with a crappy server browser than a game with a pretty user interface and shallow gameplay like Spore, Farcry 2, Red Alert 3, and Crysis(Although Crysis isn't even close to as bad as the others) that people put up with today.
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ignore what whispersnaper is saying
 

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but to paraphrase Detroit Pistons player Rasheed Wallace ("the ball doesn't lie"). Likewise, the online player counts don't lie. What do the player counts tell you about UT3?

I wanted UT3 to succeed as much as you guys did and I'm very disappointed that it has turned out to be an Epic failure. I like the feel of UT3's movement and when I load it up I think to myself, "What a shame." Unfortunately, I think Epic has lost all interest in making quality PC games. They have the ability to make a good UT4 or a UT3 "expansion" but they no longer have the desire, IMHO. It's a shame because if UT3 had been released in a polished state without the gameplay issues I'd mentioned before we'd all be playing it now and not UT99 or UT 2004.
 
You make it sound as though the problems with the user interface were "small annoyances". They were not. The UT3 user interface is and was pathetic and unbecoming of the Unreal Tournament name. Going from the UT 2004 UI to the UT3 UI is like going from a loaded Lexus to a stripped down Kia or Yugo. Remember, when this game was released the server browser barely functioned and you could not even make a list of Favorites (!!!).
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Sure, the interface has many problems compared to the previous UT games, but I've seen a lot worse in other games and I can live with them as long as the basic gameplay is fun.

No first person view for vehicles; this is a huge problem for the Raptor. (Who needs first person view when most console FPS games are in third person? That's probably what they were thinking.)

You cannot throw weapons. (They probably couldn't figure out what button the console controls should use for that, so that might be a reason for scrapping it.)

The translocator is still limited. Just ask the UT99 pro and clan community if they think the translocator should be unlimitted like it was in UT99 and the response will be an overwhelming, resounding Yes.

You cannot use keybinds for taunts and communications ("Defend the base." "Enemy flag carrier is here (location).)

Secondary flak shell doesn't feel right. Flak cannon might need more spread.
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All of these are legitimate gripes, especially the flak alt-fire (which was my favorite weapon in UT99 and has sucked in every game since then), but again, I've seen much worse problems in other games that were still fun overall. I think you're disappointed by it because you are comparing it to the flawless UT99, and yes, it does fall flat when looked at from that point of view. If you compare it to most other FPSs in the last few years though, it's still a pretty good game.

That being said, the Galtanor invasion mod is the main reason I like this game a lot, and I play it regularly with a couple of friends. I haven't bothered much with the default game types at all, especially since there are so few people online. I would have a much lower opinion of UT3 if that mod didn't exist.
 
I would say go with the original Unreal Tournament. If you can get passed the graphics, you'll find the best multiplayer shooter ever made. In fact UT99 itself doesn't look that bad after the texture packs and bloom mod. It still has a somewhat large player base.

UT2004 is the worst of the series gameplay wise. The weapons are nerfed, and the movement is far too floaty. Also do not be fooled by the player counts for UT2004 because it counts bots as actual players.

Regardless of all the problems UT3 has, it's probably going to be the last game of it's type. The arena shooter is a dying breed. The market now has become saturated with Counter Strike "modern warfare" knockoffs because thats what the Xbox Live kiddies like to play.
 
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