Using the windows operating system to upgrade your bios

pcslookout

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Have you ever flashed your bios in windows? Seems like more people everyday don't have floppy drives with their pcs. I know you can always use a usb flash drive, cd, or even dvd but its a little more difficult than just using a floppy drive I think. Do you think its pretty safe to upgrade your bios within windows ? It must be the easiest way because you get a GUI for everything. Backup of the old BIOS and flash of the new BIOS. No more dos commands but then again what happens if windows freezes on you ? Surprised a lot of these programs in windows to flash your BIOS actually support windows vista 64 bit! Good to know because I thought may it would have some kind of protection where you weren't allowed to access the bios rom within windows vista 64 bit as a security feature or something.
 

RebateMonger

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I'll use a Windows flash program when available. I've never had a problem with it. But, apparently, there CAN be problems. Dell has Windows-based flash versions for many of its PCs.

BTW, many motherboard makers recommend that the flash data be stored on the hard drive, even when flashing from a floppy. The reason is the poor reliability of floppy disks.
 

pcslookout

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Originally posted by: RebateMonger
I'll use a Windows flash program when available. I've never had a problem with it. But, apparently, there CAN be problems. Dell has Windows-based flash versions for many of its PCs.

BTW, many motherboard makers recommend that the flash data be stored on the hard drive, even when flashing from a floppy. The reason is the poor reliability of floppy disks.

Great to know. I just flashed my bios on my gigabyte motherboard using @BIOS with Windows Vista 64 bit. First backing up my known to work BIOS then upgrading the the latest. Seem to work pretty well and quickly. For a few seconds though right before it said for 10 seconds the pc would not respond I think windows crashed or froze because it took a little more than 10 seconds. Thankfully it was only about 30 seconds still it seem like forever and had me bitting my finger nails. I like that you can upgrade your bios in windows now because it makes it a lot easier, quicker, and not having to have any kind of media to put the bios on anymore! That way we can go without floppy drives and still have bios flashing done easily just instead in windows instead of dos!

I wonder how they were able to get bios flashing to happen within windows itself ? Quite interesting!
 

VirtualLarry

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I never flash from within Windows. The problem has to do with the timing algorithms needed for the flash chips, and the fact that Windows can intefere with those timings.
You need special flash chips (self-timing) to be able to reliably flash from within Windows. That is, as long as Windows doesn't screw up on you during the flash, which can also happen.

Edit: I still use good old-fashioned floppy drives.
 

pcslookout

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I never flash from within Windows. The problem has to do with the timing algorithms needed for the flash chips, and the fact that Windows can intefere with those timings.
You need special flash chips (self-timing) to be able to reliably flash from within Windows. That is, as long as Windows doesn't screw up on you during the flash, which can also happen.

Do you flash from a floppy or a usb flash drive? I don't have either. How do you flash from a cd-rw or dvd-rw if you shouldn't flash from within windows?
 

lxskllr

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Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I never flash from within Windows. The problem has to do with the timing algorithms needed for the flash chips, and the fact that Windows can intefere with those timings.
You need special flash chips (self-timing) to be able to reliably flash from within Windows. That is, as long as Windows doesn't screw up on you during the flash, which can also happen.

Do you flash from a floppy or a usb flash drive? I don't have either. How do you flash from a cd-rw or dvd-rw if you shouldn't flash from within windows?

I flash from a usb drive in BIOS. I don't completely trust flashing from within Windows.

Edit:
If you don't have a usb drive, buy one. They're almost free now, and you can get low capacity drives for under $5 at many stores
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I never flash from within Windows. The problem has to do with the timing algorithms needed for the flash chips, and the fact that Windows can intefere with those timings.
You need special flash chips (self-timing) to be able to reliably flash from within Windows. That is, as long as Windows doesn't screw up on you during the flash, which can also happen.

Do you flash from a floppy or a usb flash drive? I don't have either. How do you flash from a cd-rw or dvd-rw if you shouldn't flash from within windows?

I flash from a usb drive in BIOS. I don't completely trust flashing from within Windows.

Edit:
If you don't have a usb drive, buy one. They're almost free now, and you can get low capacity drives for under $5 at many stores
Ditto. I can flash from within Windows, but it makes me uneasy. I'd rather do it from the BIOS itself on the newer boards that support it.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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I've done it quite a few times with different boards, closing all other apps and disabling anti-virus etc.
 

Cutthroat

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I had done it many times within Windows with no problems at all...

Until one day I was flashing the BIOS on my old P5N32E-SLI, everything seemed fine, rebooted, no POST.

Now I have a P5K Deluxe, and I don't flash from Windows anymore.
 

JustaGeek

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Originally posted by: Cutthroat
I had done it many times within Windows with no problems at all...

Until one day I was flashing the BIOS on my old P5N32E-SLI, everything seemed fine, rebooted, no POST.

Now I have a P5K Deluxe, and I don't flash from Windows anymore.


:thumbsup:

So many times I've seen stories like that.

Almost never with the floppies - they are just plain and simple.

They either work, or they don't.

And you can never use the BIOS command line switches in Windows...

And very often the Windows based utilities will NOT allow you to revert to the lower version, or dowgrade to the previous release (if you're not happy with the new BIOS version, and want to re-install the old version).

 

pcslookout

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Originally posted by: Cutthroat
I had done it many times within Windows with no problems at all...

Until one day I was flashing the BIOS on my old P5N32E-SLI, everything seemed fine, rebooted, no POST.

Now I have a P5K Deluxe, and I don't flash from Windows anymore.

What steps did you do right before flashing the BIOS on windows?
 

Tarrant64

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I didn't have any problems in the past flashing within Windows, however the last time I did I got f*ed over pretty good. MSI mobo. Did fine with Asus though.
 

JustaGeek

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Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: Cutthroat
I had done it many times within Windows with no problems at all...

Until one day I was flashing the BIOS on my old P5N32E-SLI, everything seemed fine, rebooted, no POST.

Now I have a P5K Deluxe, and I don't flash from Windows anymore.

What steps did you do right before flashing the BIOS on windows?

You should disable your Anti Virus and Anti Spyware.

And then, in Task Manager, "end" all the user tasks except explorer.exe and taskmgr.exe. DO NOT disable the SYSTEM, LOCAL or NETWORK tasks!


 

Cutthroat

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Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: Cutthroat
I had done it many times within Windows with no problems at all...

Until one day I was flashing the BIOS on my old P5N32E-SLI, everything seemed fine, rebooted, no POST.

Now I have a P5K Deluxe, and I don't flash from Windows anymore.

What steps did you do right before flashing the BIOS on windows?

Hard to remember, but generally I would disable my AV etc. Using Asus Update I would have saved the old BIOS, and made sure the new BIOS was correct. I remember that it looked like it had completed, it rebooted but wouldn't POST.

While investigating the bad flash afterwards I found many people complaining about bad flashes from Windows on Asus 680i mobos. Unfortunately the Asus "crash free bios" did not work either.
 

Bateluer

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I flashed my old Asus P4P800 Deluxe dozens of times in windows and never had a problem. My current Abit IN9-32X MAX has only been flashed in Windows a few times, though it went without a problem each time. My previous MSI K9N SLI board was flashed from within windows as well, though it displayed some quirkiness, but I would attribute that to a poorly designed board by MSI more than I would a bad flash.
 

nerp

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I think it's important to remeber to undo any overclock you have going before flashing. I've read warnings to do so many times in my EpoX magic flash tool and always made sure to do so. I did forget, once, but it posed no problem.