using chemicals to kill people

Do you feel that it is morally justifiable today to use chemicals to kill certain groups of people?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • No

    Votes: 21 84.0%

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .

GunsMadeAmericaFree

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I just read an article about holocaust deniers, which also mentioned that a lot of younger folks don't even know what the holocaust WAS, or how many were killed.

The Nazis used concentration camps and poisonous gas to kill over 6 million Jews, Poles, Gypsies and other "undesirables", who had no way to defend themselves.


So I find myself curious, what % of folks today believe it is ok to kill people using chemicals in a similar manner, if they feel it would "better" society in some way?
 

Drach

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I have no problems with capital punishment recipients and assisted suicide being put down with chemicals. Other than that I see no use for chemicals ending a human life.
 
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Captante

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Whomever voted "yes" have the stones to defend your vote?


EDIT: By "chemicals" I was thinking stuff like mass poison gas-attacks not "lethal injection" in place of electric chair/firing squad. Poll question lacks adequate context.
 
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Denly

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Genocide? Pretty sure Nazis use every mean they have on hand. And no it is not Ok for any form of genocide even it happened since the dawn of human history. For the last 100 yrs Nazis/Mao were the 1a/b, and just a kind reminder it happened here in NA too.

To answer the question NO it is not ok to use chem.
 
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Genocide? Pretty sure Nazis use every mean they have on hand. And no it is not Ok for any form of genocide even it happened since the dawn of human history. For the last 100 yrs Nazis/Meo were the 1a/b, and just a kind reminder it happened here in NA too.

To answer the question NO it is not ok to use chem.


Bad as Nazi Germany (and America sadly) are historically in terms of genocidal actions, the worst of all was almost certainly Stalin in terms of sheer number killed.
 

Denly

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Bad as Nazi Germany (and America sadly) are historically in terms of genocidal actions, the worst of all was almost certainly Stalin in terms of sheer number killed.

Stalin is like 9mm compared to Mao as AK47, Mao body count was a few times over.
 
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Captante

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Stalin is like 9mm compared to Mao as AK47, Mao body count was a few times over.

Nobody really knows how many deaths either one is responsible for from what I've read but both were massive douchebags no doubt there.
 
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MrSquished

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I've heard quite a few MAGA say, both in person and online, we should just shoot the migrants and asylum seekers as they cross the border, and in fact Trump even proposed that to his people in the White House and got shut down. He also wanted to shoot the protestors outside the White House in the legs.

I am quite sure many MAGA would support rounding up all those caught at the border and mass killing them. 100%.
 
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Moonbeam

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I just read an article about holocaust deniers, which also mentioned that a lot of younger folks don't even know what the holocaust WAS, or how many were killed.

The Nazis used concentration camps and poisonous gas to kill over 6 million Jews, Poles, Gypsies and other "undesirables", who had no way to defend themselves.


So I find myself curious, what % of folks today believe it is ok to kill people using chemicals in a similar manner, if they feel it would "better" society in some way?
It depends. The facts, as I see them, is that knowingness, having a full tea cup when seeking truth, being full of nonsensical unconscious assumptions we are not aware of but deeply believe are the truth none the less, the lack of searching for truth because we assume we already know it, is the real reason that people are blind. But some chemicals, like LSD can blow the doors so tightly locked against real truth wide open and trigger an experience of a completely altered state that fractures our world view. And it depends basically on how well prepared one is going into such a mind blowing experience. People who are unaware that they hate themselves, if the door to that feeling is opened without knowing it's there, can lead to a profoundly bad experience, a psychotic break and even suicide. One needs to know going in that it is only our own self hate that is causing it, not God's wrath or some kind of Demon and also that the feeling is actually a lie, that there isn't anything really wrong with us other than having been put down as children that made us feel that way. But for others who blast right through the potential negatives that haunt us a God conscious experience can await, an experience of awe wonder and delight that can change our assumptions about life at a deep level.

So if you are going to use chemicals be sure you do it in a therapeutic setting and with people of good will. The more you know about the horrors hidden within and their real origin, ie, that they have nothing to do with sin, the better your chances of being able to sucked down a black hole. There is nothing to fear but fear and if you can let go and not fight the ego death Drugs can cause, everything will be OK. Naturally we are talking about psychedelics that are not adulterated with something poisonous. People will sell anything for money. I think this is something that should only be an adjunct if at all to psychotherapy but where can you find a therapist who him or herself has healed?
 

sdifox

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Err, we have been doing that since forever. What do you call toxic runoffs into water?
 

sdifox

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Bad as Nazi Germany (and America sadly) are historically in terms of genocidal actions, the worst of all was almost certainly Stalin in terms of sheer number killed.


Stalin was a debutante compared to Mao.
 

Captante

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Stalin was a debutante compared to Mao.

Far as lining people up and shooting them no doubt.... if you count people "worked" to death it's a different story and much closer.

OTOH if you count the great Chinese famine CAUSED by Mao's policies then he's the "champion" of death and it's not close.

It was more like the "Great leap backwards". :(
 
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JWade

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I voted yes, in war the winners write the rules. doesnt even have to be "war" if your family is being attacked/targeted by a hostile group you will do what it takes to protect them, if it involves mixing some chemicals together to make poisonous gas to take out an entire group that is going after my family, yes, yes i will do that. Do i feel the Nazi's were justified? hell no. Do i think Saddam Hussein was justified? hell no. a yes and no vote isnt black and white. I feel there times i would feel justified using chemical weapons against people/group (large or small group), there are times it has been done and i feel it was not justified. But when it comes down to my family being attacked, nothing is off limits to stop those who are attacking my family.
 
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JWade

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cool, guess that means it’s ok
didnt say it was, but you called it the capitalist freedom river, when communists do more. I was simply pointing out that although American businesses do pollute waterways, communist china does it alot more, you are the one who only narrowed it to the capitalists.
 

woolfe9998

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didnt say it was, but you called it the capitalist freedom river, when communists do more. I was simply pointing out that although American businesses do pollute waterways, communist china does it alot more, you are the one who only narrowed it to the capitalists.

China has more total pollution. The US has far more per capita pollution. Which pretty much negates your entire point.
 

ch33zw1z

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didnt say it was, but you called it the capitalist freedom river, when communists do more. I was simply pointing out that although American businesses do pollute waterways, communist china does it alot more, you are the one who only narrowed it to the capitalists.

if You think capitalists Don’t want to do it more, there’s a bridge I have to sale
 
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