Using 1280x960 on a Radeon

[EMAN]

Does anybody have a fix to use this resolution on a radeon card using higher refresh rate than 60hz?

I have the tweaker and I can enable this resolution but cannot change the refresh rate. Let me know if you have a fix.

Thanks

EMAN

 

[DClark]

The Radeon doesn't support that resolution. The Radeon supports:

640x480 @200hz
800x600 @200hz
1024x768 @200hz
1152x864 @150hz
1280x1024 @130hz
1600x1200 @90hz
1920x1440 @75hz
2048x1536 @75hz

You'll have to use either 1152x864 or 1280x1024.

 

[ss284]

um yes, the radeon supports 1280-960. Even works on my Lcd panel whose native is 1280-1024.

but since its a lcd panel, anything above 60 makes no difference.

-Steve

 

[PhattyMcCamp]

What OS are u using? What game is it for? HL or CS?

 

[EMAN]

That sucks cause 1280x1024 makes my screen look little retanglular. I guess I'll have to live with it.

 

[Ausone]

Eman, do you mean that you can't enable 1280x960 at the refresh rate higher than 60Hz even in Windows, not in any specific application?

I am now considering Radeon 8500 purchase, but I'd have to give up this idea if that's the case.

 

[sash1]

Seems weird. Even my Kyro II can do higher than a 60Hz refresh rate @ 1280x960. Yet Radeons are said to have better 2D.

 

[PhattyMcCamp]

Well, tell us what your specs are. I have the Radeon 8500 and play CS in that res with no problems. The refresh rate is fine.

 

[rommel]

have you defined the monitor for your system....i ahve very little experience with ATi but the couple of systems i built using their cards required loading the .inf for the monitor to enabled the refresh rate adjustment under the advanced ooptions tab in the display setting

 

[EMAN]

Well, tell us what your specs are. I have the Radeon 8500 and play CS in that res with no problems. The refresh rate is fine.

It's in my sig.



Seems weird. Even my Kyro II can do higher than a 60Hz refresh rate @ 1280x960. Yet Radeons are said to have better 2D.

What does 2D have to do with anything?


Eman, do you mean that you can't enable 1280x960 at the refresh rate higher than 60Hz even in Windows, not in any specific application?

I am now considering Radeon 8500 purchase, but I'd have to give up this idea if that's the case.

It's windows and applications. If you were gaming with radeon8500 than who cares about 1280x960. You'll be playing at 1600x1200



have you defined the monitor for your system....i ahve very little experience with ATi but the couple of systems i built using their cards required loading the .inf for the monitor to enabled the refresh rate adjustment under the advanced ooptions tab in the display setting

My monitor is fine and it's a plug and play monitor. That's all the drivers you need if you didn't know. My voodoo 5500 did just fine in that resolution with the same drivers I'm using now for the monitor.

 

[Ausone]

<< It's windows and applications. If you were gaming with radeon8500 than who cares about 1280x960. You'll be playing at 1600x1200 >>


1. If both, then that's a big problem. It matters when you are in 2D. I don't think most people with 19 inch monitor, which you have, like to set the resolution to 1600x1200 when you are in windows, surfing web, writing papers, etc. Probably 1280x960 or 1152x864 is preferred. I have Sony g420s 19 inch monitor and normally set it at 1280x960 in windows.

2. Even when you are gaming, you may not always want to use 1600X1200. It depends on how demanding a game or its setting is. I don't think one will want to play Max Payne or RTCW at that resolution with Radeon, particularly when one runs Win XP. Perhaps not even Q3 if one turns Smoothvision and Anisotropic filtering on. Certainly not UT if one runs Win XP. 1600x1200 seems to be a good option with Radeon only if you play older or slower games without smoothvision or anisotropic filtering under Win98. (Q3 and UT are understood to be older games.) As far as I am concerned, I am running WinXP now and was running Win2K before that. So unless ATI further improves R8500's WinXP driver, I don't think I'll be playing those newer and more demanding games at 1600x1200 with R8500, since I'd like to turn Smoothvision on in those games. And I also play UT too.

 

[rbV5]

<< The Radeon doesn't support that resolution. The Radeon supports..blah blah blah >>



Sure it supports that resolution, the driver just doesn't enable it.(Actually, it seems to disable it.)

If your Monitor supports 1280x960

In XP:

Start>Run>regedit

Edit>Find "DALRestrictedModes" <------Delete every instance in the registry (several instances)

Then:

Edit>Find "DALNonStandardModes" and add this value "12 80 09 60 00 00 00 00" after the last value in the "value data box" <dbl click "DALNonStandardModes" and add it by typing each pair of numbers into the blank line following the last 4 digit row#, it can be out of numerical sequence in the list.

Reboot, you now have 1280x960 at whatever refresh rate your monitor supports.

Thats what I do.

 

[EMAN]

1154x864 is available and so is 1280x1024. So what's the prob?

rbV5, it did not work for windows 98

 

[DClark]

The list of supported resolutions was taken directly from ATi's website. If the Radeon did support it, there's no reason for ATi not to include it in the list.

Using the Video System Information section of SiSoft Sandra, it lists all the supported VESA video modes of both the monitor and graphics card. Again, the 1280x980 resolution is not present.

For a difinitive answer, the best bet would be to e-mail ATi (http://apps.ati.com/cservice/webform.asp )

 

[PhattyMcCamp]

<< If you were gaming with radeon8500 than who cares about 1280x960 >>



Well, the most popular multiplayer online game has this as its highest res, so infact, a lot of people care about this res.



<< rbV5, it did not work for windows 98 >>


You just have to do it another way:
order is irrelevant, reboot after modification.
\HKEY_LOCALMACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\DISPLAY\0000\MODES

1.)add a key '1280,960' in all color depth folders you like (i took 32 and 16 only)
2.)add a string 'RefreshRate' in '1280,960', then edit the string and insert any value in Hz you like. optional: the RefreshRate setting is also available in Humus' tweaker, so you can skip step 2 in case you have the utility (Raid-On-Tweaker)

\HKEY\LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI Technologies\Driver\0000\DAL

edit DALNonStandardModesBCD1 and add a line saying
12 80 09 60 00 00 00 00
then edit DALRestrictedModesBCD1 and replace the 1st line with
08 48 04 80 00 00 00 00

(848*480 is now restricted, instead of 1280*960)



<< The list of supported resolutions was taken directly from ATi's website. If the Radeon did support it, there's no reason for ATi not to include it in the list. >>


The Radeon DOES support it.
It sounds like you wouldnt overclock your card unless ATI tech support said you could.

 

[Ausone]

rbV5, that's a great suggestion.

Eman says,


<< 1154x864 is available and so is 1280x1024. So what's the prob? >>


I thought you were also complaining about 1280x1024, which has the aspect ratio of 5:4.
Some people may be satisfied with 1154x864 in Windows, but I, and probably many others, prefer 1280x960 with 19 inch monitor for a variety of reasons.

 

[rbV5]

<< The list of supported resolutions was taken directly from ATi's website. If the Radeon did support it, there's no reason for ATi not to include it in the list >>



hehe, thats interesting reasoning for obvious reasons LOL.

DClark, apparently your not paying attention. I use 1280x960@85mhz with my Radeon cards. I showed how to enable it in WinXP, PhattyMcCamp showed how to enable it in 9X.

If Radeon's don't support it, how am I using it?

 

[PhattyMcCamp]

For all you win2kers, do the same kind of search in regedit also.
He probably got it and thats why he hasnt returned .

 

[EMAN]

I thought you were also complaining about 1280x1024, which has the aspect ratio of 5:4.

Yeah for games but not for windows. You were complaining about 1154x864 and 1280x960 for radeon8500. With a radeon 8500 you'll be gaming at 1600x1200 with anisotropic filtering in FPS and 1024x768 + FSAA in sims or driving games. I wouldn't worry about 1280x960 for a radeon 8500. Since I have radeon vivo SE 1280x960 is important because I play my FPS in that resolution.


PhattyCamp and rbV5 thank you very much, you guys are great.

 

[EMAN]

Still didn't work. Stuck at 60htz even if change my refresh rate to 85htz or any for that matter.

My monitor is KDS AV-195TF

 

[PhattyMcCamp]

What OS?

 

[rbV5]

OK, now if you use Unituner, you can set your refresh rates for each resolution, and for DirectX you can force a refresh rate by Start>Run>type "dxdiag">"more help" tab>Override> type the forced refresh rate into the box.

 

[EMAN]

It still didn't work. This isn't the first time I tried this with the unituner. I used dxdiag and nothing happened.

 

[Ausone]

<< <Ithought you were also complaining about 1280x1024, which has the aspect ratio of 5:4.>
Yeah for games but not for windows.
>>


I see. To me the availability of 1280x960 in windows is perhaps far more important than that in games. After all, I actually spend much more time in windows than in games, and that is the optimal resolution for me in windows desktop and other non-3D applications. It's a matter of taste, so I'm not surprised that some people are satisfied with 1280x1024 in windows, though.

I, on the other hand, am more tolerant of 1280x1024 in games, since some games, like Q3A, do not support 1280x960 to begin with.



<< With a radeon 8500 you'll be gaming at 1600x1200 with anisotropic filtering in FPS >>


I guess you can do it because you are running Win98 or perhaps you may be referring to some FPS game for which R8500 seems to be particularly optimized. I don't think that is a viable option for demanding FPS games like RTCW or Max Payne with Radeon8500 under WinXP/2K.


I wonder why ATI still does not enable 1280x960 on default. I've heard this story with their older cards like Rage128.

 

[Soccerman]

here's what my situation was:

I had a Vodooo 3, which ran a Daytek DT-75P monitor, using the Plug and Play drivers.

I think it ran it at 60hz, though I don't know if I ever checked that before. I probably didn't mind 60hz, as I'd never gotten used to anything higher before (ie, I ran an old monitor that had 60hz as the max refresh rate before).

anywho, I switched video cards to the Radeon LE, but it didn't support 1280X960, so I ran it at 1152x864 at 100hz (which wasn't as crisp as lower refresh rates like 85 hz btw, but that's a Radeon LE issue).

once I finally got 1280x960 enabled (enabling it in the registry), and available in the display panel (I had some problems getting it there, though I can't remember how I fixed that), I tried it out. after resizing the image, I noticed that the 60hz refresh was just too much to handle for my eyes, so I stuck with 1152 by 864.

yesterday I happened upon drivers for my monitor (I had been using Plug and Play, cause I heard they worked the best with everything), and installed them. but I didn't try this res until today.

guess what? I'm now running 1280x960 at a refresh rate (according to the onscreen display) of 85hz! ahhh this is bliss!

btw, 1280x960 isn't supported officially by my monitor. ie, the monitor CAN RUN it, it's just not one of the main resolutions (ie, 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024 <--whoever came up with that needs glasses, 1600x1200)

and 1280x1024 isn't so bad in games, becuase afaik, the game sort of compensates for the different aspect ratio.. ie, 3D things don't look squished, becuase they're internally rendered the same way, just output to the monitor with a different res. however menu's etc, that aren't 3D DO get the 5:4 squish applied to them