USB 2.0 sucks.. or I should say, the software that supports it sucks

MDesigner

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I've had it with this crap. Why is it such a hassle to get USB 2.0 working properly?? I've got an Epox motherboard, and XP Pro. So a while ago, before SP2 was out, the process was this (assuming a blank HD):

1) Install XP
2) Install XP SP1
3) Install nForce drivers

If it wasn't in that order, USB 2.0 would not work properly. SP1 had to be installed first. I think this is documented on the nvidia web site.

But now SP2 is out.. so I tried this:

1) Install XP
2) Install XP SP2
3) Install nForce drivers

Nope, doesn't work. Every f*cking device I plug in, I get a balloon tip that says "This device could perform faster..." Yeah, it could perform faster if Microsoft had a freaking clue. I talked to Epox support, they recommend trying this:

1) Install XP
2) Install XP SP1
3) Install XP SP2
4) Install nForce drivers

Why the F*CK does this have to be so complicated??? I don't wanna reformat right now, so now I'm stuck with a system performing at USB 1.x speeds. Is there anything I can do without reformatting or screwing my system up to get USB 2.0??

Grrr!
 

Peter

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I too noticed that the service pack updates screw up certain things USB. Native SP2 installation disks don't have the slightest problem though. It's the update process that spoils it.
 

MDesigner

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Nah.. I'd have to slipstream both SP1 *AND* SP2 onto the XP CD. The problem appears to be that SP1 supports USB 2.0 just fine, but SP2 screwed it up somehow.
 

Peter

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It's the updating. SP2 in itself, so far, did everything USB I threw at it perfectly fine.
 

MDesigner

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What update process? I downloaded SP2 and installed it that way, I didn't use Automatic Updates.
 

tcsenter

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I slipstreamed SP2 into an SP1 CD installation point, burned back to CD, then installed XP integrated with SP2 cleanly. Everything works fine here. I've got USB2.0 devices up the yang - multi-slot card reader, external HDD, printer, and scanner (plus USB1.1 mouse and digital camera).
 

MDesigner

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My XP CD doesn't have SP1 slipstreamed on it.. it's an older one. Could someone tell me how to slipstream SP1 and then SP2 onto it? I'd be very grateful :) Thanks.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: MDesigner
My XP CD doesn't have SP1 slipstreamed on it.. it's an older one. Could someone tell me how to slipstream SP1 and then SP2 onto it? I'd be very grateful :) Thanks.
SP2 includes all the changes of SP1, IIRC.

 

MDesigner

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It doesn't. That's why I'm having USB 2.0 issues. SP1 supports it properly, SP2 doesn't. A fresh install of XP + SP2 for me has my USB devices running at 1.x speeds.
 

Peter

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I'll say it one more time: Native SP2 installations do not have USB problems. Earlier XP installations that get UPDATED to SP2 do. Frequently so.
 

MDesigner

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Originally posted by: Peter
I'll say it one more time: Native SP2 installations do not have USB problems. Earlier XP installations that get UPDATED to SP2 do. Frequently so.

Please tell me what a "native SP2 installation" is. If you're referring to the new XP CDs that already have SP2 built into them, then I'll say it again: I have no such CD. I have an old XP Pro CD, with NO service packs on it. I manually have to download SP2 and install it.

robman: No, I don't see any such thing. Just "USB Root Hub" and some other USB devices.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: MDesigner
It doesn't. That's why I'm having USB 2.0 issues. SP1 supports it properly, SP2 doesn't. A fresh install of XP + SP2 for me has my USB devices running at 1.x speeds.
SP2 is a cumulative update and has all the changes of SP1, its a flaw in the patching process that is throwing your USB support out of whack.

 

sxr7171

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Well this might not be what you're looking for but you could do without SP2. I don't use SP2 on any of my machines as I personally find it to be way too intrusive and it runs all sorts of extra services that cannot be disabled. This is just my opinion and I feel that not running SP2 is a solution to consider. You can still use Windows Update manually.
 

Rock Hydra

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Hey. Tomshardware has an article on how to slipstream SP2 into your windows XP CD. It's pretty simple. Sounds like it's worth it if you're having the problems that you are.

WinXP Slipstream
 

MDesigner

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Thanks for the link explaining how to slipstream. I'll try this next time I reformat and see if it helps.
 

LTC8K6

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I have upgraded several computers to SP2, with no USB2 trouble.

Try uninstalling your USB controllers and letting XP redetect them.
 

tcsenter

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On Slipstreaming, also see this little freeware dandy:

AutoStreamer XP v1.0.33

All you need to do is insert the Windows XP CD, point Autostreamer to the SP2 download file, and it will automatically copy the setup files from the CD to an installation share folder, patch the setup files to SP2, then create a bootable ISO CD image that can be burned to CD.
 

Dug

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1) Install XP
2) Install XP SP1
3) Install XP SP2
4) Install nForce drivers


This is correct expect leave out #2

After everything is set up, go into your device manager, go under Uneversal Serial Bus Controllers.
Right click on each category and select uninstall. Reboot the machine.

Then it should work right.
 

Mem

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For slipstreaming I use AutoStreamer ,simple to use and works great and yes you don`t need SP1 since SP2 has all of the SP1 updates.
 

Brian23

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Forget it guys, I don't think he understands that he can slipstream his XP cd so that its a XP SP2 cd. He'll be happier if we just leave him alone.
 

MDesigner

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Originally posted by: Brian23
Forget it guys, I don't think he understands that he can slipstream his XP cd so that its a XP SP2 cd. He'll be happier if we just leave him alone.

Don't condescend me, I'm not some newbie who doesn't know what's what. Yes, I understand slipstreaming and knew about it years ago. You must've misunderstood my posts. I was simply stating that I didn't believe installing XP Pro followed by SP2 would resolve the USB issues.. but fine, I'll give it a try next time. I'll slipstream, and I'll follow Dug's advice above.
 

watek

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Originally posted by: robman123
Are you actually seeing a USB 2.0 (Enhanced) controller showing up in Device Manager?


maybe you're missing the Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
 

LTC8K6

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After everything is set up, go into your device manager, go under Uneversal Serial Bus Controllers.
Right click on each category and select uninstall. Reboot the machine.

Just have it scan for hardware changes, no need to reboot.