USANext Stages Swiftboat-Style Attack Ad Against AARP

[conjur]

http://www.spectator.org/

Check out the USANext ad on that page.


The right is going to attempt a swiftboat liars-style campaign to smear the AARP as "too liberal". Something tells me this is going to come back and hit them in the face.

 

[Steeplerot]

I hope so but then the hypocricy was scalding with what these nixon/bush shills did to Kerry, and they were very successful with the compliantcy of the MSM.
You repeat a lie enough times how could it not be true :roll:

 

[BBond]

As an AARP member I say, "Bring 'em on."

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.spectator.org/

Check out the USANext ad on that page.


The right is going to attempt a swiftboat liars-style campaign to smear the AARP as "too liberal". Something tells me this is going to come back and hit them in the face.

Well AARP has put themselves in a bad position. On one hand they say the stock market is too risky for people to invest in, on the other hand they peddle 38 mutual funds to their members.

They also paid to have a bogus survey done about social security reform. In this poll they did not sample anyone under the age of the 30, oversampled retired people, and oversampled democrats. In short AARP paid for the results they wanted to see.

 

[DZip]

The AARP is misleading the uninformed about individual investment accounts. I wish I could have invested some of my social security taxes in a private account 30 years ago. In the past 30 years my private investments (IRA's and 401k) have averaged 8.7% growth per year. The same amount in a secure savings account would be considerably less. Another misleading point the AARP makes is private investment accounts are mandatory, they would be voluntary and you can make a choice. The AARP is using scare tactics on its gullible members.

 

[Jhhnn]

A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: DZip
The AARP is misleading the uninformed about individual investment accounts. I wish I could have invested some of my social security taxes in a private account 30 years ago. In the past 30 years my private investments (IRA's and 401k) have averaged 8.7% growth per year. The same amount in a secure savings account would be considerably less. Another misleading point the AARP makes is private investment accounts are mandatory, they would be voluntary and you can make a choice. The AARP is using scare tactics on its gullible members.

Another misleading point that you make is comparing social security to a IRA. Social security includes a disability benefit, which makes it much more comperable to an insurance product than an IRA.

 

[DealMonkey]

The swift boat school of gonzo political attack campaigns was so successful, the GOP has decided to use it again. Only this time the AARP is the target and Social Security (oh GOD! The crisis!) is the topic. Old people, hang on to your depends, this is gonna be a tough fight!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: MonkeyK

Originally posted by: DZip
The AARP is misleading the uninformed about individual investment accounts. I wish I could have invested some of my social security taxes in a private account 30 years ago. In the past 30 years my private investments (IRA's and 401k) have averaged 8.7% growth per year. The same amount in a secure savings account would be considerably less. Another misleading point the AARP makes is private investment accounts are mandatory, they would be voluntary and you can make a choice. The AARP is using scare tactics on its gullible members.

Another misleading point that you make is comparing social security to a IRA. Social security includes a disability benefit, which makes it much more comperable to an insurance product than an IRA.

The disability benefit is taxed seperatly from the retirement portion.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The swift boat school of gonzo political attack campaigns was so successful, the GOP has decided to use it again. Only this time the AARP is the target and Social Security (oh GOD! The crisis!) is the topic. Old people, hang on to your depends, this is gonna be a tough fight!

Maybe the AARP will start being honest this time around.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The swift boat school of gonzo political attack campaigns was so successful, the GOP has decided to use it again. Only this time the AARP is the target and Social Security (oh GOD! The crisis!) is the topic. Old people, hang on to your depends, this is gonna be a tough fight!

Who knows, it could be the event that finally unifies the nation, seeing as how just about everyone under 55 Republican and Democrat hates the AARP.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

I have no problem with the goverment giving more options to citizens that are forced into a goverment retirement plan. However the real point is the AARP is being hypocritical when it comes to market investments. Market investments are either safe orthey are not and AARP is taking both positions.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

I have no problem with the goverment giving more options to citizens that are forced into a goverment retirement plan. However the real point is the AARP is being hypocritical when it comes to market investments. Market investments are either safe orthey are not and AARP is taking both positions.

Really, how is it taking both positions? I never heard them say they were against private iinvestment, just against private market investment of Social Security money.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

I have no problem with the goverment giving more options to citizens that are forced into a goverment retirement plan. However the real point is the AARP is being hypocritical when it comes to market investments. Market investments are either safe orthey are not and AARP is taking both positions.

Really, how is it taking both positions? I never heard them say they were against private iinvestment, just against private market investment of Social Security money.

I do beleive they said it was risky for social security moneys to into private accounts based on the market. Yet someone how it is not risky for them to push market based funds to their members. There is either risk with these types of funds or not and they are taking both positions.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

I have no problem with the goverment giving more options to citizens that are forced into a goverment retirement plan. However the real point is the AARP is being hypocritical when it comes to market investments. Market investments are either safe orthey are not and AARP is taking both positions.

Really, how is it taking both positions? I never heard them say they were against private iinvestment, just against private market investment of Social Security money.

I do beleive they said it was risky for social security moneys to into private accounts based on the market. Yet someone how it is not risky for them to push market based funds to their members. There is either risk with these types of funds or not and they are taking both positions.

It's not risky for them to push these market based funds to their members because of Social Security. Social security is going to make sure that at least they won't be destitute, so they can invest other money in market based funds without fear of losing their livelyhoods. Is it REALLY that hard to understand?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

I have no problem with the goverment giving more options to citizens that are forced into a goverment retirement plan. However the real point is the AARP is being hypocritical when it comes to market investments. Market investments are either safe orthey are not and AARP is taking both positions.

Really, how is it taking both positions? I never heard them say they were against private iinvestment, just against private market investment of Social Security money.

I do beleive they said it was risky for social security moneys to into private accounts based on the market. Yet someone how it is not risky for them to push market based funds to their members. There is either risk with these types of funds or not and they are taking both positions.

It's not risky for them to push these market based funds to their members because of Social Security. Social security is going to make sure that at least they won't be destitute, so they can invest other money in market based funds without fear of losing their livelyhoods. Is it REALLY that hard to understand?

I have no problem with having a safety net for those who outlive their investments or had bad luck with the market. However longterm market based retirement plans bear very little risk. Take a look at the handfull of places that got to opt out of social security because they wanted a better deal. Is this so hard to understand?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

I have no problem with the goverment giving more options to citizens that are forced into a goverment retirement plan. However the real point is the AARP is being hypocritical when it comes to market investments. Market investments are either safe orthey are not and AARP is taking both positions.

Really, how is it taking both positions? I never heard them say they were against private iinvestment, just against private market investment of Social Security money.

I do beleive they said it was risky for social security moneys to into private accounts based on the market. Yet someone how it is not risky for them to push market based funds to their members. There is either risk with these types of funds or not and they are taking both positions.

It's not risky for them to push these market based funds to their members because of Social Security. Social security is going to make sure that at least they won't be destitute, so they can invest other money in market based funds without fear of losing their livelyhoods. Is it REALLY that hard to understand?

I have no problem with having a safety net for those who outlive their investments or had bad luck with the market. However longterm market based retirement plans bear very little risk. Take a look at the handfull of places that got to opt out of social security because they wanted a better deal. Is this so hard to understand?

Past returns are not a guarantee of future returns. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
A little bit more in-depth info-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/polit...a371bb47479ad&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Y'all ready for another swiftliars style tsunami of slime?

With Kerry, they could attack the messenger, with the AARP, it probably won't be that easy.

As long as the AARP continues to sell mutual funds to its members and take fraudulent polls, they will an easy target.

Yet you have no problem with the government getting into the business of pushing stocks and bonds in retirement accounts :roll:

I have no problem with the goverment giving more options to citizens that are forced into a goverment retirement plan. However the real point is the AARP is being hypocritical when it comes to market investments. Market investments are either safe orthey are not and AARP is taking both positions.

Really, how is it taking both positions? I never heard them say they were against private iinvestment, just against private market investment of Social Security money.

I do beleive they said it was risky for social security moneys to into private accounts based on the market. Yet someone how it is not risky for them to push market based funds to their members. There is either risk with these types of funds or not and they are taking both positions.

It's not risky for them to push these market based funds to their members because of Social Security. Social security is going to make sure that at least they won't be destitute, so they can invest other money in market based funds without fear of losing their livelyhoods. Is it REALLY that hard to understand?

I have no problem with having a safety net for those who outlive their investments or had bad luck with the market. However longterm market based retirement plans bear very little risk. Take a look at the handfull of places that got to opt out of social security because they wanted a better deal. Is this so hard to understand?

Past returns are not a guarantee of future returns. Why is that so hard to understand?

Same can be said for social security. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[SuperTool]

Social security has been paying the benefits, and it will be able to pay them very far into the future.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Social security has been paying the benefits, and it will be able to pay them very far into the future.

Just as the stock market has been making returns of 12% annually on average.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Social security has been paying the benefits, and it will be able to pay them very far into the future.

Just as the stock market has been making returns of 12% annually on average.

But they can't even guarantee 12% return a year from today, much less to 2042.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Social security has been paying the benefits, and it will be able to pay them very far into the future.

Just as the stock market has been making returns of 12% annually on average.

But they can't even guarantee 12% return a year from today, much less to 2042.

Well so far we are guaranteed a 25% reduction in benefits and almost zero return on "investment" in 2042 if nothing is done with social security(not counting the increased taxes to get there).

What a guarantee....

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Social security has been paying the benefits, and it will be able to pay them very far into the future.

Just as the stock market has been making returns of 12% annually on average.

But they can't even guarantee 12% return a year from today, much less to 2042.

Well so far we are guaranteed a 25% reduction in benefits and almost zero return on "investment" in 2042 if nothing is done with social security(not counting the increased taxes to get there).

What a guarantee....

You are not guaranteed a 25% reduction in benefits in 2042. Where did you get that from?
25% is reduction from what it would have been if they just let it grow indexed to wages, but it's not a reduction from today's level, and may not even be a reduction relative to inflation if wages grow ahead of inflation. The actual benefit won't be decreased, it will just grow at a slower rate.
Also, if people live longer in 2042, a 25% smaller benefit over a longer lifespan after retirement will pay out the same amount.