USA Offers Iran Nuke Tech in Return for Uranium Halt

[whalen]

AP: U.S. to Give Iran Nuclear Technology
By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria

In a major concession, the United States is prepared to provide Iran with some nuclear technology if it stops enriching uranium, diplomats said Tuesday.

The offer was part of a package of incentives presented to Tehran Tuesday by European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana, said the diplomats, who were familiar with the proposals. The diplomats demanded anonymity in exchange for discussing details of the offer, which was agreed on last week by six world powers in a bid to resolve the nuclear standoff with Iran. Text

 

[EagleKeeper]

The big problem has always been the enrichment factor that will enable weapons grade material.

Low end civilian power reactors is not the concern.

 

[libs0n]

Just like they "agreed" to give North Korea some light water reactors back in 94? Hmmm, I wonder what ever happened with that...

From Khomeini's recent speech:

The world and the countries that want to secure their future are all against the monopoly of nuclear technology by a few countries. To say that no country has the right to have access to nuclear technology means that in 20 years' time, all of the countries of the world will have to beg certain Western or European countries to meet their energy demands. They will have to beg for energy in order to run their lives. Which country, nation, or honest official is ready to take that?

edit: Khamenei's

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: libs0n
Just like they "agreed" to give North Korea some light water reactors back in 94? Hmmm, I wonder what ever happened with that...

From Khomeini's recent speech:

The world and the countries that want to secure their future are all against the monopoly of nuclear technology by a few countries. To say that no country has the right to have access to nuclear technology means that in 20 years' time, all of the countries of the world will have to beg certain Western or European countries to meet their energy demands. They will have to beg for energy in order to run their lives. Which country, nation, or honest official is ready to take that?

edit: Khamenei's

The Iranian government has had the money and access to light water reactors (Russia) for decades but instead chose to very slowly work on the Bushehr reactor (they are about 30 years in with no actual operation in sight) and develop an extensive, integrated uranium enrichment capability.

 

[fornax]

Originally posted by: K1052
The Iranian government has had the money and access to light water reactors (Russia) for decades but instead chose to very slowly work on the Bushehr reactor (they are about 30 years in with no actual operation in sight) and develop an extensive, integrated uranium enrichment capability.

You are wrong on about everything you say. Firstly, the Bushehr reactor will be operational in 6-12 months, it's ready for loading of the nuclear fuel. Second, only light-water reactors need enriched Uranium, heavy-water reactors (like in Canada), work with ordinary, un-enriched Uranium. So what exactly are you trying to say? That US/EU want to give Iran a light-water reactor, but forbid Iran from ever being able to supply the fuel themselves? It's like you buying a Ford and agreeing to buy gas only from Ford dealerships at the time and price they choose.

 

[Genx87]

Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: fornax

Originally posted by: K1052
The Iranian government has had the money and access to light water reactors (Russia) for decades but instead chose to very slowly work on the Bushehr reactor (they are about 30 years in with no actual operation in sight) and develop an extensive, integrated uranium enrichment capability.

You are wrong on about everything you say. Firstly, the Bushehr reactor will be operational in 6-12 months, it's ready for loading of the nuclear fuel. Second, only light-water reactors need enriched Uranium, heavy-water reactors (like in Canada), work with ordinary, un-enriched Uranium. So what exactly are you trying to say? That US/EU want to give Iran a light-water reactor, but forbid Iran from ever being able to supply the fuel themselves? It's like you buying a Ford and agreeing to buy gas only from Ford dealerships at the time and price they choose.

They said Bushehr would be operational within in a couple years back in the mid 80s. The Russians have been working on it since the mid-90s. I'll bet it is another two years at least before it goes online.

Any number of countries (France, Germany, Japan, China, Russia, Pakistan, India, etc) could refine their uranium to reactor grade quite easily and economically as they have already gone through the major capital costs. Russia actually offered as much previously in a bid to defuse the issue.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

 

[fornax]

Do you seriously believe that a fiercely independent nation like Iran will leave decisions regarding its energy supply and future energy development to countries that have openly proclaimed Iran as their enemy, or behave like that? Iran have already tasted policies like that in their past, and I'm sure they don't want to see this repeated.

Edit: typos.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I dont believe anybody has a "right" to make bomb grade uranium.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I dont believe anybody has a "right" to make bomb grade uranium.

The U.S doesnt want Iran to enrich uranium at all.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I dont believe anybody has a "right" to make bomb grade uranium.

Well, apparently the USA does.

How would you feel if the UN told the USA to stop enriching uranium, or else?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: libs0n
Just like they "agreed" to give North Korea some light water reactors back in 94? Hmmm, I wonder what ever happened with that...

From Khomeini's recent speech:

The world and the countries that want to secure their future are all against the monopoly of nuclear technology by a few countries. To say that no country has the right to have access to nuclear technology means that in 20 years' time, all of the countries of the world will have to beg certain Western or European countries to meet their energy demands. They will have to beg for energy in order to run their lives. Which country, nation, or honest official is ready to take that?

edit: Khamenei's

What happened with N Korea? N Korea broke the agreement is what happened.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I believe they forfeited their right when they declared Israel should be wiped off the map.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I believe they forfeited their right when they declared Israel should be wiped off the map.

Iran's President said the state of Israel needs to be wiped off the map. Israel has made the same remarks towards Iran's regime.

Iran's President is a single man with no real power inside Iran who does not speak for the views of the leaders of Iran.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

Exactly what I was thinking. If they refuse the deal it shows that there is ulterior motive to their program. We offer to give them what it is they claim to be researching and see if they refuse it right? Sounds like a good plan but not perfect. It has a catch. As you said, they would have to get the fuel from us and I can see how that would be a sticking point for them and a legitimate enough one to turn down the deal and want to progress on their own. It's an arrangement that would give us the upper hand and so I can see why they would turn it down. Do as we say or we shut down your power reactors! Now if there could be a deal worked out where they trade us oil for nuclear reactor fuel, now you're talking.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

Exactly what I was thinking. If they refuse the deal it shows that there is ulterior motive to their program. We offer to give them what it is they claim to be researching and see if they refuse it right? Sounds like a good plan but not perfect. It has a catch. As you said, they would have to get the fuel from us and I can see how that would be a sticking point for them and a legitimate enough one to turn down the deal and want to progress on their own. It's an arrangement that would give us the upper hand and so I can see why they would turn it down. Do as we say or we shut down your power reactors! Now if there could be a deal worked out where they trade us oil for nuclear reactor fuel, now you're talking.

The agreement sucks really. U.S needs to remove all sanctions and then Iran will be more than happy to agree to anything the U.S has to offer.

Iran can get additional nuclear plants from Russia/China.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: libs0n
Just like they "agreed" to give North Korea some light water reactors back in 94? Hmmm, I wonder what ever happened with that...

The operative words are light water. I don't believe it can be used to enrich nuclear materials to weapons grade. It's a good idea in principle, but as with N. Korea, it then gets down to trust and verification.

 

[libs0n]

Originally posted by: ntdz

What happened with N Korea? N Korea broke the agreement is what happened.

Not quite. As part of the 1994 agreed framework, North Korea was promised two light water reactors in exchange for staying in the NPT and no longer pursueing the reprocessing of plutonium. Conservative elements in the US legislature blocked their funding, and as the agreed framework was contingent on the construction of the reactors before North Korea was to begin complying with IAEA safegards, the whole thing collapsed.

edit: I was too obtuse in my original statement. I wasn't implying that this would lead to Iran getting the bomb as it did in North Korea's case, but that the offer was disengenuous in that a similar past offer was not lived up to by the parties invloved and that Iran would not accept such an offer as it would make them beholden to foreign powers, which is the very reason they are pursuing their right to enrich Uranium. It's a proposal designed to fail.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I dont believe anybody has a "right" to make bomb grade uranium.

Well, apparently the USA does.

How would you feel if the UN told the USA to stop enriching uranium, or else?

And what if they did? The US doesnt have a "right" to make bomb grade material either. They have earned the priviledge to do so.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I believe they forfeited their right when they declared Israel should be wiped off the map.

Iran's President said the state of Israel needs to be wiped off the map. Israel has made the same remarks towards Iran's regime.

Iran's President is a single man with no real power inside Iran who does not speak for the views of the leaders of Iran.

I dont recall Israel saying their goal is to wipe Iran off the face of the map. Do you have a link for this?

Secondly downplaying the rhetoric as talk of a loon is dangerous marginalizing of the situation.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I believe they forfeited their right when they declared Israel should be wiped off the map.

Iran's President said the state of Israel needs to be wiped off the map. Israel has made the same remarks towards Iran's regime.

Iran's President is a single man with no real power inside Iran who does not speak for the views of the leaders of Iran.

I dont recall Israel saying their goal is to wipe Iran off the face of the map. Do you have a link for this?

Secondly downplaying the rhetoric as talk of a loon is dangerous marginalizing of the situation.

What the President of Iran meant was the state of Israel needs to be destroyed. He doesn't believe in a Jewish state separate from Palestine. He didn't mean he wants to cut off Israel from the map and flood all the Israelis. He believes it should be called Palestine and not separate from the current Palestine. I dont think his views match those of the people who actually live in that area (EX. Palestinians).

Israel has also lashed at Iran's regime calling it a barbaric and terrorist regime that is the greatest evil that threatens the world today.

 

[Genx87]

Israel has also lashed at Iran's regime calling it a barbaric and terrorist regime that is the greatest evil that threatens the world today

Gee I cant imagine why they would say that, would you?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has also lashed at Iran's regime calling it a barbaric and terrorist regime that is the greatest evil that threatens the world today.

And their statement is 100% accurate.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Political cat and mouse. This is obviously to demostrate the intent of the program. They have turned down Russian offers to do this as well.

We provide the fuel, what need is there to enrich?

their right to do so.

I dont believe anybody has a "right" to make bomb grade uranium.

Except the United States and Israel, of course!