USA Inc. Red White and Very Blue - Business Week article

NorrinRadd

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Business Week has a excellent and sobering article on what the ecomony of the USA looks like if it was analyzed as a public company. This is must read info for those who want to turn this country around as our debt is increasing. They believe we can overcome this, but there must be serious and painful austerity measures, the sooner the better.

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Dear Shareholder,

You probably don't think of yourself that way. Citizenship isn't an investment, it's a state of being. But by birth or naturalization, every American has more than just an emotional stake in the United States. We have a financial one, too. And by any measure, that stake is at risk.

Two months ago the federal government issued a 268-page Financial Report of the United States Government. It doesn't have a glossy cover with photos of smiling employees, and a lot of the numbers are in trillions. Except for that, it looks a lot like the corporate annual reports of the companies I have followed. You can see how the various lines of business are doing—Social Security, Medicare, etc. There's even a mission statement: "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

The United States isn't a corporation, of course. It can't exit from underperforming territories (pick your state) or auction off lines of business (the Army, Medicare). And its "customers" can reward themselves with unaffordable services because they're also the shareholders.

Still, the idea of the U.S. as a corporation is more than a thought-experiment. It's a way to reposition our approach to long-term problems. What would USA Inc. be worth? Who would want to buy its shares? And what would a turnaround expert recommend for a company that lost more than $2 trillion ("net operating cost") in 2010?

I took a deep dive into these questions a little more than a year ago, and I'm finally up for air. I reached three conclusions. First, USA Inc. has serious financial challenges. Second, its problems are fixable. Third, clear communication with citizen-shareholders is essential. If the American people embrace the need for bold action, their political leaders should find the courage to do what's right.

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The bottom line on USA Inc.? Cash flow and net worth are negative, profits are rare, and off-balance-sheet liabilities are enormous. The "company" has underinvested in productive capital, education, and technology—the very tools needed to compete in the global marketplace. Lenders have been patient so far, but the sky-high rates on the sovereign debt of Greece, Ireland, and Portugal suggest what might lie ahead for USA Inc. shareholders and our children.

By our rough estimate, USA Inc. has a net worth of negative $44 trillion. That comes to $143,000 per capita. Negative.

Full Article:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_10/b4218000828880_page_2.htm

Powerpoint presentation: 460 slides

http://images.businessweek.com/mz/11/10/1110_mz_49meekerusainc.pdf
 

sandorski

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Austerity right now is stupid. You need to phase in Cuts while the Economy continues to Recover. Go too far too fast and you risk Recession once again, which just makes the situation far worse.
 

Jaskalas

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Austerity right now is stupid. You need to phase in Cuts while the Economy continues to Recover. Go too far too fast and you risk Recession once again, which just makes the situation far worse.

By that logic you must admit that the economy is already government run, for you argue that without government money it'll freeze up. Hell, we're just talking about reducing the deficit, but apparently that's too much for our 'free' market to handle.
 

wuliheron

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Even corporations aren't free to do just anything they want. However, in the modern world they routinely plan for when they will next declare bankruptcy and sell off some of their assets. The US military alone is equal to the next seven largest in the world combined. Perhaps if we simply sold off some of those assets and stopped focusing on killing goat herders we could balance the books.
 

sandorski

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By that logic you must admit that the economy is already government run, for you argue that without government money it'll freeze up. Hell, we're just talking about reducing the deficit, but apparently that's too much for our 'free' market to handle.

/facepalm
 

KlokWyze

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Even corporations aren't free to do just anything they want. However, in the modern world they routinely plan for when they will next declare bankruptcy and sell off some of their assets. The US military alone is equal to the next seven largest in the world combined. Perhaps if we simply sold off some of those assets and stopped focusing on killing goat herders we could balance the books.

:D
 

Darwin333

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By that logic you must admit that the economy is already government run, for you argue that without government money it'll freeze up. Hell, we're just talking about reducing the deficit, but apparently that's too much for our 'free' market to handle.

Unfortunately the "free market" has grown accustomed to the .gov spending over a trillion dollars that it didn't extract from the economy via taxes. That is quite a large chunk of GDP.
 

Darwin333

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Even corporations aren't free to do just anything they want. However, in the modern world they routinely plan for when they will next declare bankruptcy and sell off some of their assets. The US military alone is equal to the next seven largest in the world combined. Perhaps if we simply sold off some of those assets and stopped focusing on killing goat herders we could balance the books.

Not even close.
 

boomerang

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Even corporations aren't free to do just anything they want. However, in the modern world they routinely plan for when they will next declare bankruptcy and sell off some of their assets. The US military alone is equal to the next seven largest in the world combined. Perhaps if we simply sold off some of those assets and stopped focusing on killing goat herders we could balance the books.
Sounds entirely plausible to those that think solely with their emotions. The folks that actually do the math, know it doesn't even begin to address the problem.

Pillow biters like yourself are trying to run the country. Fortunately, people who are based in reality step in from time to time and try to clean up the mess. It's an imperfect system, but until a true leader emerges, it's all we have.
 

CPA

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Even corporations aren't free to do just anything they want. However, in the modern world they routinely plan for when they will next declare bankruptcy and sell off some of their assets. The US military alone is equal to the next seven largest in the world combined. Perhaps if we simply sold off some of those assets and stopped focusing on killing goat herders we could balance the books.

Oh, jeebus, give me a break. What did you major in college? Art History?
 

Slew Foot

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Democracy can only survive as long as people don't realize they can vote themselves other peoples money. See Wisconsin to see where we are
 

Zebo

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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding whats for dinner and the rich collects the check after buffet is over.
 

Scotteq

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Marry a foreign national from a 1st world country and ensure (s)he never gives up citizenship or return rights. This way when the Government fails to pull our collective heads out of our collective a$$es, you have an easy out.
 

Double Trouble

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Austerity right now is stupid. You need to phase in Cuts while the Economy continues to Recover. Go too far too fast and you risk Recession once again, which just makes the situation far worse.

There are many ways to introduce austerity measures such that the impact isn't felt immediately. That way the economy has a chance to recover, but austerity measures are in place so that when the immediate pain stops, the patient doesn't (once again) stop taking his medicine. We need to get serious about fixing things, and the "you can't cut spending in the middle of a recession" excuse is worn out.
 

Throckmorton

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The difference between a corporation and a country is that when a corporation lays off workers, those workers are no longer part of the corporation.
 

bfdd

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article said:
There is an 82 percent correlation between rising entitlement spending and falling personal savings rates. With the aging of my baby boom generation, things will get even worse.

this has links in it btw, but duh? why wouldn't one spend their money on luxury items when they know someone else is footing the bill for their necessities? luxury items are just that, luxury, they're for once you've taken care of everything else you can spend money on them. We need to cut entitlement 100&#37; so people can relearn just exactly how to live.
 

Throckmorton

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this has links in it btw, but duh? why wouldn't one spend their money on luxury items when they know someone else is footing the bill for their necessities? luxury items are just that, luxury, they're for once you've taken care of everything else you can spend money on them. We need to cut entitlement 100% so people can relearn just exactly how to live.

So get rid of Social Security and Medicare?
What exactly is the point of saving money when you're going to have to spend it all on healthcare in your old age? Might as well just die in debt instead.
 

bfdd

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So get rid of Social Security and Medicare?
What exactly is the point of saving money when you're going to have to spend it all on healthcare in your old age? Might as well just die in debt instead.

one is a painful trip and doesn't have to end in death, what you are saying does. if we keep up the current trend we will spend ourself to death. it sucks dude, it really does, but something has to be done. what do you plan to do to curb spending and mind you stopping the wars isn't going to change anything we'll still be burning more cash than we take in.
 

Doppel

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Austerity right now is stupid. You need to phase in Cuts while the Economy continues to Recover. Go too far too fast and you risk Recession once again, which just makes the situation far worse.
The truth is that the economy is now dependent on structural deficit spending to even eek out a paltry few percent gain in GDP. The deficit is several times that positive gain. Austerity now or later it will be destructive in any case. The money ran out. Toying with "wait until the recovery is going better" just piles on my debt. There is no good time to cut back because all the past opportunities were ignored.
 

sandorski

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The truth is that the economy is now dependent on structural deficit spending to even eek out a paltry few percent gain in GDP. The deficit is several times that positive gain. Austerity now or later it will be destructive in any case. The money ran out. Toying with "wait until the recovery is going better" just piles on my debt. There is no good time to cut back because all the past opportunities were ignored.

Pain is unavoidable, but Austerity right now risks stalling GDP Growth and going back into Recession(GDP shrinkage). Let the Private Sector gain a foothold before Austerity. Right now there is some Growth in the Private Sector, giving room for some Cuts, just don't go overboard with the Cuts and things will work out fine.
 

Craig234

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Democracy can only survive as long as people don't realize they can vote themselves other peoples money. See Wisconsin to see where we are

Meanwhile, tyranny, oligarchy, plutocracy not only can survive quite well, they're the norm for society in human history. Democracy is an experiment for people to get power.

The same old interests exist, and try to undermine democracy, with making money the dominant determiner of elections, propaganda, etc. Dupes like you fall for it.
 

Throckmorton

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one is a painful trip and doesn't have to end in death, what you are saying does. if we keep up the current trend we will spend ourself to death. it sucks dude, it really does, but something has to be done. what do you plan to do to curb spending and mind you stopping the wars isn't going to change anything we'll still be burning more cash than we take in.

We aren't going to spend ourselves into death. Simply remove the cap on SS and MC taxes, so it's not a regressive tax.

The rich owe so much to the previous generations... why would they pay smaller percentages to support them in their old age?
 
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bfdd

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We aren't going to spend ourselves into debt. Simply remove the cap on SS and MC taxes, so it's not a regressive tax.

The rich owe so much to the previous generations... why would they pay smaller percentages to support them in their old age?

Ok, you still haven't fixed the problem you've just added more "income" to the situation in which the spenders will spend before they have it. Not to mention it still won't cover the difference. I know you think I'm against these things you state, I'm not, it's just that they barely scratch the surface and don't address the problems we have in entitlement programs.