USA forgets how to make part of trident missiles ?

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This is hard to believe. We have forgotten how to make a crucial part of the trident missile . I guess it was so top secret that nobody was allowed to write it down :confused:

Where is Prof. Hubert J Farnsworth when you need him !

http://www.sundayherald.com/ne...ay.var.2494129.0.0.php
PLANS TO refurbish Trident nuclear weapons had to be put on hold because US scientists forgot how to manufacture a component of the warhead, a US congressional investigation has revealed.

The US National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) "lost knowledge" of how to make a mysterious but very hazardous material codenamed Fogbank. As a result, the warhead refurbishment programme was put back by at least a year, and racked up an extra $69 million.

According to some critics, the delay could cause major problems for the UK Trident programme, which is very closely tied to the US programme and uses much of the same technology. The US and the UK are trying to refurbish the ageing W76 warheads that tip Trident missiles in order to prolong their life, and ensure they are safe and reliable. This apparently requires that the Fogbank in the warheads is replaced.


Neither the NNSA nor the UK Ministry of Defence would say anything about the nature or function of Fogbank. But it is thought by some weapons experts to be a foam used between the fission and fusion stages of a thermonuclear bomb. US officials have said that manufacturing the material requires a solvent cleaning agent which is "extremely flammable" and "explosive". The process also involves dealing with "toxic materials" hazardous to workers.

Over the last year the Government Accountability Office (GAO), which reports to the US Congress, has been investigating the W76 refurbishment programme. An unclassified version of its final report was released last week. The GAO report concluded: "NNSA did not effectively manage one of the highest risks of the programme - the manufacture of a key material known as Fogbank - resulting in $69m in cost over-runs and a schedule delay of at least one year that presented significant logistical challenges for the navy."

For the first time, the report described the difficulties faced by the NNSA in trying to make Fogbank. A new production facility was needed at the Y-12 National Security Complex at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, because an old one had been demolished in the 1990s.

But vital information on how Fogbank was actually made had somehow been mislaid. "NNSA had lost knowledge of how to manufacture the material because it had kept few records of the process when the material was made in the 1980s, and almost all staff with expertise on production had retired or left the agency," the report said.

The GAO report also accused the NNSA of having an inconsistent approach to costing the W76 refurbishment programme. The total cost was put at $2.1 billion in 2004, $6.2bn in 2005 and $2.7bn in 2006.
 

Vette73

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More common then you think. Little things like this have very few people that know it well and when they retire no one has them train anyone else as its "old" tech. Remember Y2K for gov software. People that wrote it thought it never last until 2000 so why have 4 places.

In State Dept we bring people out of retirment all the time as younger people don;t get into certain areas much and we are left with new people that have limited knowledge. Even if its written down that does not make you an expert after reading.
 

Babbles

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A couple of years ago I was reading a story that the US government needs to start building more nuclear missiles, not so they would actually be used but rather to train a new generation of scientists and engineers because of this exact problem. This sort of knowledge is being lost as people retire and die.
 
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Originally posted by: Babbles
A couple of years ago I was reading a story that the US government needs to start building more nuclear missiles, not so they would actually be used but rather to train a new generation of scientists and engineers because of this exact problem. This sort of knowledge is being lost as people retire and die.

Eh, I'll just get that kid who did one for an 8th grade science project to build mine.
 

sdifox

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so, they should call the 3 remaining members of Project DAEDALUS or is it down to 2 now?

Nope, still 3.
 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
I'd ask the Chinese, but the Engrish instructions could lead to disaster.

The Chinese version probably contains melamine.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: Mermaidman
I'd ask the Chinese, but the Engrish instructions could lead to disaster.

The Chinese version probably contains melamine.

That and lead paint. You blow up something with lead paint and i bet that area will be messed up for a long time.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
I'd ask the Chinese, but the Engrish instructions could lead to disaster.

No worries, I doubt they even have a section on the stuff after reading this:

The US and the UK are trying to refurbish the ageing W76 warheads that tip Trident missiles in order to prolong their life, and ensure they are safe and reliable.

I'm not really surprised though. It's not like we're building new weapons. A lot of the ones we have are probably older than quite a few people posting in this thread.
 
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