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US Troops to Mexico?

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IGBT said:
it's a demand driven problem. Lots of dopers and druggies in the US fueling the grief and misery in mex. All they care about is getting dizzy.
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In other words, humans will be humans. Why isn't the onus on government for enacting draconian laws that have proven not to work in the past?
 
The troops shouldn't be some shiny new toy that the POTUS get's to play with when they get into office!
 
I hope President Rick Perry won't be so cold-hearted to accept all the Mexican refugees fleeing their war-torn country. After all, we aren't at war with Mexico, just the cartels.
 
I've always said it would have made more sense to invade and "nation build" Mexico as opposed to Afghanistan. Mexico is full of people very much like us, with largely western ideas and goals. They WANT to be like us. Instead we've squandered trillions trying to build a country from nothing in Afghanistan, the entire time enriching people who absolutely hate us. If we'd spent that money in Mexico and sent in peacekeeping forces, we could have fixed Mexico. Instead we just made a more expensive, still broken Afghanistan.
 
Nebor said:
I've always said it would have made more sense to invade and "nation build" Mexico as opposed to Afghanistan. Mexico is full of people very much like us, with largely western ideas and goals. They WANT to be like us. Instead we've squandered trillions trying to build a country from nothing in Afghanistan, the entire time enriching people who absolutely hate us. If we'd spent that money in Mexico and sent in peacekeeping forces, we could have fixed Mexico. Instead we just made a more expensive, still broken Afghanistan.
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Turn Hawaii into USA territory. Mexico new 50th state. Screw nation building, nobody goes for that shit anymore, if it is state building, we can see the point of it.
 
Or we could just legalize drugs and fight the cartel when they come after us. You know so it's justified defense vs invasion.
 
bfdd said:
Or we could just legalize drugs and fight the cartel when they come after us. You know so it's justified defense vs invasion.
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There's still WAY too much ignorance out there to legalize now, maybe pot, but that alone won't change anything really.
 
Munky said:
Nah, that makes too much sense. The wise political leaders would only try that after every other effort in the "war on drugs" has miserably failed.
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So then they're ready to try it? The WoD™ has failed on just about every metric available.
 
It is truely impressive how fast Perry is melting down. I guess the old saying about him is true-he's just like George Bush, without the brains.

Was he ever on the Red Sox? He'd be a natural.
 
xj0hnx said:
There's still WAY too much ignorance out there to legalize now, maybe pot, but that alone won't change anything really.
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Ignorance flourishes in places where knowledge and experience are not. I think we should legalize everything now and let the ignorant make decisions that ruin their own lives. The rest of us will be better off with the ignorant gone.
 
We should not send US troops into Mexico unless there's a "Clear and present danger" to the US or its citizens. The violence in Mexico is a Mexican problem...and one that can be contained.

The US SHOULD move everyone out of any house, apartment, dwelling, building, business, etc. within one mile of the international border, then go in and level any structure in that zone. Build a double fence/wall along the border, and completely shut down the border...close ALL border crossings for a time.

Removing all structures in the one-mile zone reduces/eliminates places for the illegal crossers to hide and makes it easier for Border Patrol to capture those who try to enter illegally.


It's fucking sad that we can't control our border with the shithole known as Mexico.
 
IGBT said:
it's a demand driven problem. Lots of dopers and druggies in the US fueling the grief and misery in mex. All they care about is getting dizzy.
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Indeed. The gubment could fix Mexico in 1 month by legalizing drugs and requiring them to be grown and refined in the US. No more money leaving the country = no more mexican cartels.

The cartels probably own the Hotels and resorts they are staying in.
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And I should care because....?
A hotel could be run by pedophiles and I would still stay there as long as it was a good hotel.
 
zsdersw said:
Ignorance flourishes in places where knowledge and experience are not. I think we should legalize everything now and let the ignorant make decisions that ruin their own lives. The rest of us will be better off with the ignorant gone.
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That reeks of ignorance right there. There's a lot of people who's lives are not ruined by drugs, and a lot of smart people make bad choices, some don't have a choice, but have to work within a system that has that attitude about them.
 
xj0hnx said:
That reeks of ignorance right there. There's a lot of people who's lives are not ruined by drugs, and a lot of smart people make bad choices, some don't have a choice, but have to work within a system that has that attitude about them.
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No no.. you misunderstand. I don't support legalization because I think all drug users will ruin their lives or that intelligence = not making bad choices.

Knowledge and experience result in responsible drug use, if one chooses to use drugs. Ignorance results in irresponsible drug use.. which leads to ruining one's life.
 
momeNt said:
The troops shouldn't be some shiny new toy that the POTUS get's to play with when they get into office!
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Absolutely.:thumbsup:

A perfect example of this is how Bush Corp. used our troops to go profiteering in Iraq. Halliburton must still be squeezing us taxpayers out of billions of $$$ "supporting our troops."

To top it all off Bush cut taxes for the rich to make sure the middle class and the poor foot most of the bill for that little excursion of theirs. AND, because we ran that war on our national credit card, the interest we're still paying on it is making the folks who financed that war richer by the day.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the same guys who are making a "killing" off of this war from "supporting our troops" on the front end, are the very same guys who, by hook or crook loaned us the $$$ to do it, making another "killing" off the back end too?

This scenario reminds me of the plantation owners of old who recruited workers by having them pay-by-loan for the "priviledge" and then keeping them indentured by owning the stores the workers shopped at and charged outrageous prices so there was no way these workers could pay off the loan they owed the plantation.

Troops to Mexico? It's Perry breast feeding the Tea Party'ers and other crazies from the far right. It keeps them sucking on his teat and also prevents them from waking up to the real world. Nothing more than that.
 
I'm all for it. They are killing many Americans and Mexicans. First though, end the drug war and give addicts all the drugs they want at treatment facilities. Let them sign up for help or kill themselves as they wish with all the free drugs they want.
 
tweaker2 said:
Absolutely.:thumbsup:

A perfect example of this is how Bush Corp. used our troops to go profiteering in Iraq. Halliburton must still be squeezing us taxpayers out of billions of $$$ "supporting our troops."

To top it all off Bush cut taxes for the rich to make sure the middle class and the poor foot most of the bill for that little excursion of theirs. AND, because we ran that war on our national credit card, the interest we're still paying on it is making the folks who financed that war richer by the day.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the same guys who are making a "killing" off of this war from "supporting our troops" on the front end, are the very same guys who, by hook or crook loaned us the $$$ to do it, making another "killing" off the back end too?

This scenario reminds me of the plantation owners of old who recruited workers by having them pay-by-loan for the "priviledge" and then keeping them indentured by owning the stores the workers shopped at and charged outrageous prices so there was no way these workers could pay off the loan they owed the plantation.

Troops to Mexico? It's Perry breast feeding the Tea Party'ers and other crazies from the far right. It keeps them sucking on his teat and also prevents them from waking up to the real world. Nothing more than that.
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or clinton in Samalia and the Balkans.
 
zsdersw said:
No no.. you misunderstand. I don't support legalization because I think all drug users will ruin their lives or that intelligence = not making bad choices.

Knowledge and experience result in responsible drug use, if one chooses to use drugs. Ignorance results in irresponsible drug use.. which leads to ruining one's life.
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Oh ok, I didn't think you would have said something that meant what I originally thought. :thumbsup: I completely support education, and access to safer drugs. People say "think of the kids", I am, if my son, or someone else's decides to party one night, I'd rather know that they have access to safer drugs, or a safe place to do them.
 
xj0hnx said:
There's still WAY too much ignorance out there to legalize now, maybe pot, but that alone won't change anything really.
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ignorance exists because we've refused to allow it to exist in any legal manner. not to mention fighting ignorance is a never ending battle.
 
zsdersw said:
No no.. you misunderstand. I don't support legalization because I think all drug users will ruin their lives or that intelligence = not making bad choices.

Knowledge and experience result in responsible drug use, if one chooses to use drugs. Ignorance results in irresponsible drug use.. which leads to ruining one's life.
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Exactly. Look at booze. I am for swapping around our drinking age and our driving age for logical reasons. People will have more experience with booze before they reach an age where society deems them responsible enough to drive, which will help those with experience minimize their risk. It doesn't sound good allowing 16 year olds to go buy beer, but an experienced drunk is better than an inexperienced drunk. This is one of the major reasons certain European countries have drastically lower drunk driving problems.
 
bfdd said:
This is one of the major reasons certain European countries have drastically lower drunk driving problems.
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I don't know if I'd exactly say that, but it definitely helps. We rolled through a checkpoint after a few drinks, and they just let us go. They were looking for actual drunks, people that couldn't maintain. They don't get as righteous about things like that, it's just not as big a deal. A few beers is as normal as a mid day snack.
 
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