US Troops in trouble..

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: kornermi

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
i guess iraqis who don't want the us in their country and fight back are now branded as terrorists...lol

You're implying that they'd rather have things back the way they were. That's, frankly, stupid.

No, he is not. You see, this kind of thought process of yours is the one that really disturbs me, and it is abundantly displayed by many right wing type.(sorry for the stereotyping) We destroyed Sadam, and you are resisting against us now, therefore you must be trying to have things back the way they were! Did it ever occur to you that a lof of Iraqis who were suffered from Sadam's brutal regime and wanted people's government may also resent occupation by foreign army?

Kornermi: thanx, you are right on.

Hero: what he said.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Originally posted by: Amirtallica
It's called professionalism. These guys have a duty to keep their cool.
Look at it this way, if after September 11th, Bush had lost his cool and attacked countries that had nothing to do with the hijackers for revenge what would the world think of us?

You just described what Bush actually did, to Iraq, to a T.

:beer:

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Zebo
Not only did 5 get killed 8 maimed in the last 24 hours some are losing thier cool and Charged with POW abuse.

I cannot imagine what these guys are going through. I don't know how I would react if my friend was blown to bits or if I had to tell him that he would never walk again. I would be mad, so I don't want to judge these guys. It's easy for us to say that the right thing would be to take the high road, but all of us are sitting safely behind computers.

Not to mention they will probably return to a Vietnam welcome, seeing as how it has become popular and kosher to criticize our involvement and think of our troops as invaders and occupiers as well as killers of women and children(shhhh....since they had AK-47's and was firing on us, but don't tell anyone).

so are you suggesting that we are not invaders and occupiers? Oh right, we're liberators less I forget.

Thanks for displaying an example of what I was talking about

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Zebo
Not only did 5 get killed 8 maimed in the last 24 hours some are losing thier cool and Charged with POW abuse.

I cannot imagine what these guys are going through. I don't know how I would react if my friend was blown to bits or if I had to tell him that he would never walk again. I would be mad, so I don't want to judge these guys. It's easy for us to say that the right thing would be to take the high road, but all of us are sitting safely behind computers.

Not to mention they will probably return to a Vietnam welcome, seeing as how it has become popular and kosher to criticize our involvement and think of our troops as invaders and occupiers as well as killers of women and children(shhhh....since they had AK-47's and was firing on us, but don't tell anyone).

so are you suggesting that we are not invaders and occupiers? Oh right, we're liberators less I forget.

Thanks for displaying an example of what I was talking about

Fair enough, what would you call people who pre-emptively invade a country and occupy it? And don't say liberators. I don't blame the troops, their just following orders, I blame the Chicken Hawks who have never seen combat yet feel they are in a position to put the lives of our soldiers in harms way for a cause that is at best shady. I think it was wrong to mistreat Vietnam vets and I think it will be wrong to mistreat the people who will return from this one. Thier not to blame for the actions of the idiots we've elected.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
i guess iraqis who don't want the us in their country and fight back are now branded as terrorists...lol

You're implying that they'd rather have things back the way they were. That's, frankly, stupid.

In your opinion. A lot of Iraqis have said that things were better under the old regime.

Yes, they were those doing the oppressing or benefitting from it. I guess you ignored that possibility because it didn't suit your agenda. You == zero cred.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Zebo
Not only did 5 get killed 8 maimed in the last 24 hours some are losing thier cool and Charged with POW abuse.

I cannot imagine what these guys are going through. I don't know how I would react if my friend was blown to bits or if I had to tell him that he would never walk again. I would be mad, so I don't want to judge these guys. It's easy for us to say that the right thing would be to take the high road, but all of us are sitting safely behind computers.

I have to admit I would resign the day we started an offensive war....so this would'nt be a problem for me. Now someone invade us and all bets are off.. I see the enemy I will kill them.. Much Like Iraqis are doing, No?

'Iraqis' aren't doing this...terrorists are. And just what the hell are they 'defending themselves' against in your deluded mind? Liberation from a brutal regime?

Stop with that BS. Liberation? You mean forced millitary occupation followed by a foreign mode of government? Whats not to love about foreign invaders telling you what form of government to have?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
i guess iraqis who don't want the us in their country and fight back are now branded as terrorists...lol

You're implying that they'd rather have things back the way they were. That's, frankly, stupid.

In your opinion. A lot of Iraqis have said that things were better under the old regime.

Yes, they were those doing the oppressing or benefitting from it. I guess you ignored that possibility because it didn't suit your agenda. You == zero cred.

Actually, maybe it was the guy whose house and store got looted, has no electricity in 100+ heat and who has to stand guard outside his house every night with an AK47. Or the guy whose family got blown up, you know, collateral dammage, no one's fault. I guess you ignored that possibility because it didn't suit your agenda. You == zero cred... jackass.

 

[Warin]

I very much hope that the general public has learned from how the veterans were treated after Vietnam, and that no veteran of Operation Liberate Iraqi Oil will be treated poorly. Personally, I think that people are smart enough to diferentiate between supporting men who did what they swore to do, and at the same time holding the politicians who put them there to account for their hubris.

So while I think Bush and his cronies are criminals, I would be the first in line to shake hands with a returning Vet and let them know how much I respect them for doing their duty.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
i guess iraqis who don't want the us in their country and fight back are now branded as terrorists...lol

You're implying that they'd rather have things back the way they were. That's, frankly, stupid.

In your opinion. A lot of Iraqis have said that things were better under the old regime.

Yes, they were those doing the oppressing or benefitting from it. I guess you ignored that possibility because it didn't suit your agenda. You == zero cred.

Actually, maybe it was the guy whose house and store got looted, has no electricity in 100+ heat and who has to stand guard outside his house every night with an AK47. Or the guy whose family got blown up, you know, collateral dammage, no one's fault. I guess you ignored that possibility because it didn't suit your agenda. You == zero cred... jackass.

Yeah, those poor sixteen people who had innocent family members caught in collateral damage or the millions who had innocent family members slaughtered by Saddam.

You clowns are isolating yourselves by siding with Saddam. The anonymity of the Internet is emboldening your otherwise reasonable thought processes and you're typing stuff that would make you puke under normal circumstances. You're proposing that the people of Iraq and the world were better off with Saddam in power just because it gives you something to take pot shots at President Bush with...that's an agenda that has managed to take control of your mind. Try exhaling.

 

[Warin]

I love how people equate disgust for the how and why of Saddams removal with support for Saddam.

Saddam was an evil brutaal dictator. He's not the only one in the world. In fact, the American government has supported and propped up many dictators just as bad as Saddam.

I'm glad to see Saddam gone.

I am not, however, willing to overlook an illegal war of aggression perpetrated on a foundation of lies and half truths. To do so would be carte blance for Shrub to start 'cleansing' any nation he cares to, based on fabricated and flawed logic.

Please repeat after me:

Thinking Dubya is a twonk does not mean that I support evil dictators! Please stop making that implication, it just makes you look foolish!

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Warin
I love how people equate disgust for the how and why of Saddams removal with support for Saddam.

Saddam was an evil brutaal dictator. He's not the only one in the world. In fact, the American government has supported and propped up many dictators just as bad as Saddam.

I'm glad to see Saddam gone.

I am not, however, willing to overlook an illegal war of aggression perpetrated on a foundation of lies and half truths. To do so would be carte blance for Shrub to start 'cleansing' any nation he cares to, based on fabricated and flawed logic.

Please repeat after me:

Thinking Dubya is a twonk does not mean that I support evil dictators! Please stop making that implication, it just makes you look foolish!

Funny. I don't seem to remember you posting incessent negative posts about Saddam. Why was his brutal regime not worth posting about, but America's liberation of the Iraq people is? You cannot tell me you feel the same about each because your posts speak otherwise. You're obviously much more bothered by the US liberation of Iraq than you are about the millions he brutalized and his support of terrorists.

Aside from that, this was not an illegal war unless you can show me what law it broke. Oh, that's right...it HAS to be an illegal war to suit your...*sigh*...agenda.

 

[Gaard]

HOP - << You're proposing that the people of Iraq and the world were better off with Saddam in power...>>

Who? Show me a post...just one.

What's that? You can't?

Wanna know something? I already knew that.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Warin
I love how people equate disgust for the how and why of Saddams removal with support for Saddam.

Saddam was an evil brutaal dictator. He's not the only one in the world. In fact, the American government has supported and propped up many dictators just as bad as Saddam.

I'm glad to see Saddam gone.

I am not, however, willing to overlook an illegal war of aggression perpetrated on a foundation of lies and half truths. To do so would be carte blance for Shrub to start 'cleansing' any nation he cares to, based on fabricated and flawed logic.

Please repeat after me:

Thinking Dubya is a twonk does not mean that I support evil dictators! Please stop making that implication, it just makes you look foolish!

Funny. I don't seem to remember you posting incessent negative posts about Saddam. Why was his brutal regime not worth posting about, but America's liberation of the Iraq people is? You cannot tell me you feel the same about each because your posts speak otherwise. You're obviously much more bothered by the US liberation of Iraq than you are about the millions he brutalized and his support of terrorists.

Aside from that, this was not an illegal war unless you can show me what law it broke. Oh, that's right...it HAS to be an illegal war to suit your...*sigh*...agenda.

It was illegal under international law ... why don't you pull your head outta Bush's ass for two seconds and understand what you're talking about for once:

International Law Aspects of the Iraq War and Occupation

Lawyers: war on Iraq illegal

Why a War Against Iraq Would be Illegal Under International Law

War Would be Illegal

 

[Warin]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Funny. I don't seem to remember you posting incessent negative posts about Saddam. Why was his brutal regime not worth posting about, but America's liberation of the Iraq people is? You cannot tell me you feel the same about each because your posts speak otherwise. You're obviously much more bothered by the US liberation of Iraq than you are about the millions he brutalized and his support of terrorists.

Aside from that, this was not an illegal war unless you can show me what law it broke. Oh, that's right...it HAS to be an illegal war to suit your...*sigh*...agenda.

Why would I make incessant posts about Saddam? I do not live in Iraq, and I dont seem to remember him invading anyone recently. In fact, he was co-operating with 1441, according to the inspectors. Last thing I remember on that front was the destruction of Al Samoud II theater missiles in accordance with UN requests, and verified by the UN.

It is an illegal war for this reason: The United States is a signatory of the accords that founded the UN. And those make this sort of aggression illegal. The US has tried to get around that by invoking self defense clauses, but only the most delusional of neocons could, with a straight face, make a case for Saddam being a clear and present danger. Sad part is that exactly that happened. And a gullible public bought it. Only now the chicken(hawks) are coming home to roost and all the lies are coming out. US Servicemen are doing their duty, and dying daily, all to support the Bush Regime.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
i guess iraqis who don't want the us in their country and fight back are now branded as terrorists...lol

You're implying that they'd rather have things back the way they were. That's, frankly, stupid.

In your opinion. A lot of Iraqis have said that things were better under the old regime.

Yes, they were those doing the oppressing or benefitting from it. I guess you ignored that possibility because it didn't suit your agenda. You == zero cred.

Actually, maybe it was the guy whose house and store got looted, has no electricity in 100+ heat and who has to stand guard outside his house every night with an AK47. Or the guy whose family got blown up, you know, collateral dammage, no one's fault. I guess you ignored that possibility because it didn't suit your agenda. You == zero cred... jackass.

Yeah, those poor sixteen people who had innocent family members caught in collateral damage or the millions who had innocent family members slaughtered by Saddam.

You clowns are isolating yourselves by siding with Saddam. The anonymity of the Internet is emboldening your otherwise reasonable thought processes and you're typing stuff that would make you puke under normal circumstances. You're proposing that the people of Iraq and the world were better off with Saddam in power just because it gives you something to take pot shots at President Bush with...that's an agenda that has managed to take control of your mind. Try exhaling.

Poor sixteen people? What planet do you live on? Try atleast 6,000+ that can be prooven killed. That's more than twice 9/11 buddy. What I was trying to put forth is obviously beyond anything you can comprehend so let me put it in simple terms. No one is siding with Saddam or arguing that the world is better off without him. There are only 23 million people living in Iraq, so even if he killed a million people, atleast 21 million did not have anyone slaughtered. These people may not have had the freedom and may have lived in fear, but atleast they had the basic necessaties: security, food, electricity, jobs etc. They may hate Saddam, but from their point of view life would have still have been better under him than it is at this moment under the US occupation, if for no other reason than having the aforementioned necessaties. That does not mean anyone supported or agreed with the guy, it just means that ensuring the survival of their family is more important than our "liberation". Now do you get it?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It was illegal under international law ... why don't you pull your head outta Bush's ass for two seconds and understand what you're talking about for once:

International Law Aspects of the Iraq War and Occupation

Lawyers: war on Iraq illegal

Why a War Against Iraq Would be Illegal Under International Law

War Would be Illegal

Who needs that international law crap anyway? It's a unipolar world, baby, let's live it up and pursue our interests (whatever they may be, who can stop us?)! Besides, all the UN is good for is committee talks and partisan wranglings (besides, the French and the Germans actually play a role there - we know we can't depend on them!).

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm going to wait for proof of a crime before I blow a gut. We don't yet and may never know the real facts. Innocent untill proven guilty.

Edit: and if you want to go by circumstancial evidence it's all prettymuch that the troops have conducted themselves well, no?