US troops free four hostages in Fallujah

[TastesLikeChicken]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor...iddle_east/4002989.stm

US-led troops involved in fighting against insurgents in the Iraqi city of Falluja have found four imprisoned men believed to be Iraqi hostages.
Three of them were contractors working for the US military, a US marines spokesman said, and the fourth said he was a taxi driver.

All of the men had been beaten and starved and were wearing handcuffs.

A US marines spokesman said the three Iraqi contractors, who worked on a US military base, were captured last week.


The men were found blindfolded, in a locked room in a house just outside Falluja.

Six suspected militants were detained in the raid.

In the same building, US troops found surface-to-air missiles, night-vision equipment, black uniforms, computers and a weapons cache.

They also retrieved what they called anti-coalition propaganda and videotapes showing torture of hostages and weapons training.

Inside the city itself, marines freed a fourth hostage, an Iraqi taxi driver who said he had been held for 10 days.

He did not work with Americans and said he did not know why he was kidnapped.

He said the men holding him beat him repeatedly, and he had scars on his wrists and feet where he had been handcuffed.

The BBC's Jennifer Glasse, at US marines' headquarters outside Falluja, said this was the first concrete proof that insurgents had bases in the area.

Falluja is believed to have been an operating base for a ruthless group of kidnappers led by the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Nine foreign hostages and an unknown number of Iraqi hostages remain unaccounted for in Iraq.

Good job US troops.

 

[Genx87]

These people are fighting for their freedoms!

:disgust:

 

[Forsythe]

I don't know if it's "good work". I mean, it's nothing exceptional, nothing out of the ordinary, they are attacking the city, invading it, and they find hostages and free them.
remember that girl that was heroically rescued by american forces during the invasion of iraq?

 

[Infohawk]

So based on this you say the insurgency is not winning the hearts and mind?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't know if it's "good work". I mean, it's nothing exceptional, nothing out of the ordinary, they are attacking the city, invading it, and they find hostages and free them.
remember that girl that was heroically rescued by american forces during the invasion of iraq?

Can you share with us how many hostages you've freed lately from a city overrun with militant Muslims. Since it's nothing out of the ordinary, am I wrong to assume you do this as a matter of course while chewing organic gum and reading Das Kapital?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
So based on this you say the insurgency is not winning the hearts and mind?

I thinks he's saying you should nuke them or something, i'm not sure.

 

[43st]

I think it's pretty good actually. Fallujah has over 600 dead and buried in two convert football field mass graves. At least they have something to account for it now. I think the military could improve on the 2:600 ratio though.

BTW, the 60 or so insurgents killed aren't included in that 600 dead number.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't know if it's "good work". I mean, it's nothing exceptional, nothing out of the ordinary, they are attacking the city, invading it, and they find hostages and free them.
remember that girl that was heroically rescued by american forces during the invasion of iraq?

Can you share with us how many hostages you've freed lately from a city overrun with militant Muslims. Since it's nothing out of the ordinary, am I wrong to assume you do this as a matter of course while chewing organic gum and reading Das Kapital?

Well, i am drinking water and reading a book about the first nuclear bomb. Das Kapital is boring, he's about as bad a writer as Hitler was (goebbels rather).
I've saved no hostages lately, though i've killed a$$loads of evil terrorists in CS-Source.
But what the hell does this have to do with me? They are soldiers, they are invading a city they say is covered with rebels, and they find some hostages. That's what they do. Now if one man alone had gone in, and totally wacked them all, rambo style, that would have been "good job". They are expected to release hostages, it's their job.

And besides, seeing as how the military, or the american government has lied so many times about their accomplishments in war and so on, there is still doubt about this one. Especially their findings.

 

[nCred]

They are similar to the chechen rebels, you can understand their cause, but they´re very ruthless.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't know if it's "good work". I mean, it's nothing exceptional, nothing out of the ordinary, they are attacking the city, invading it, and they find hostages and free them.
remember that girl that was heroically rescued by american forces during the invasion of iraq?

Can you share with us how many hostages you've freed lately from a city overrun with militant Muslims. Since it's nothing out of the ordinary, am I wrong to assume you do this as a matter of course while chewing organic gum and reading Das Kapital?

Don't forget his daily Starbucks latte while driving his hybrid Civic.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Well, i am drinking water and reading a book about the first nuclear bomb. Das Kapital is boring, he's about as bad a writer as Hitler was (goebbels rather).
I've saved no hostages lately, though i've killed a$$loads of evil terrorists in CS-Source.
But what the hell does this have to do with me? They are soldiers, they are invading a city they say is covered with rebels, and they find some hostages. That's what they do. Now if one man alone had gone in, and totally wacked them all, rambo style, that would have been "good job". They are expected to release hostages, it's their job.

They are expected to kill insurgents. Finding hostages is a bonus and it was a good job finding them.

And besides, seeing as how the military, or the american government has lied so many times about their accomplishments in war and so on, there is still doubt about this one. Especially their findings.

But it's from the BBC, just like the documentary you posted. It therefore has to be the absolute truth, doesn't it?

 

[conjur]

Heard something about this on the drive in today. I bet those hostages never felt happier to see men with guns.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Forsythe
Well, i am drinking water and reading a book about the first nuclear bomb. Das Kapital is boring, he's about as bad a writer as Hitler was (goebbels rather).
I've saved no hostages lately, though i've killed a$$loads of evil terrorists in CS-Source.
But what the hell does this have to do with me? They are soldiers, they are invading a city they say is covered with rebels, and they find some hostages. That's what they do. Now if one man alone had gone in, and totally wacked them all, rambo style, that would have been "good job". They are expected to release hostages, it's their job.

They are expected to kill insurgents. Finding hostages is a bonus and it was a good job finding them.

And besides, seeing as how the military, or the american government has lied so many times about their accomplishments in war and so on, there is still doubt about this one. Especially their findings.

But it's from the BBC, just like the documentary you posted. It therefore has to be the absolute truth, doesn't it?

I feel the only reason you disagree with me is to further your cause, so i won't discuss it with you.

But reagrding the BBC, they get their news from somewhere, in this case the US Military.

 

[StormRider]

Great news. I can't stand the thought of someone being held captive and then dying in such a horrific and painful way as beheading.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But reagrding the BBC, they get their news from somewhere, in this case the US Military.

DOesn't the BBC have embedded reporters also?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But reagrding the BBC, they get their news from somewhere, in this case the US Military.

DOesn't the BBC have embedded reporters also?

Indeed they do. Your point?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But reagrding the BBC, they get their news from somewhere, in this case the US Military.

DOesn't the BBC have embedded reporters also?

Indeed they do. Your point?

That the source is BBC reporters, not the US Military

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But reagrding the BBC, they get their news from somewhere, in this case the US Military.

DOesn't the BBC have embedded reporters also?

Indeed they do. Your point?

That the source is BBC reporters, not the US Military

A US marines spokesman said the three Iraqi contractors, who worked on a US military base, were captured last week.


The men were found blindfolded, in a locked room in a house just outside Falluja.

Six suspected militants were detained in the raid.

In the same building, US troops found surface-to-air missiles, night-vision equipment, black uniforms, computers and a weapons cache.

They also retrieved what they called anti-coalition propaganda and videotapes showing torture of hostages and weapons training.

Inside the city itself, marines freed a fourth hostage, an Iraqi taxi driver who said he had been held for 10 days.

He did not work with Americans and said he did not know why he was kidnapped.

He said the men holding him beat him repeatedly, and he had scars on his wrists and feet where he had been handcuffed.

What the BBC says is that it's the first evidence of bases in fallujah...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But reagrding the BBC, they get their news from somewhere, in this case the US Military.

DOesn't the BBC have embedded reporters also?

Indeed they do. Your point?

That the source is BBC reporters, not the US Military

A US marines spokesman said the three Iraqi contractors, who worked on a US military base, were captured last week.


The men were found blindfolded, in a locked room in a house just outside Falluja.

Six suspected militants were detained in the raid.

In the same building, US troops found surface-to-air missiles, night-vision equipment, black uniforms, computers and a weapons cache.

They also retrieved what they called anti-coalition propaganda and videotapes showing torture of hostages and weapons training.

Inside the city itself, marines freed a fourth hostage, an Iraqi taxi driver who said he had been held for 10 days.

He did not work with Americans and said he did not know why he was kidnapped.

He said the men holding him beat him repeatedly, and he had scars on his wrists and feet where he had been handcuffed.

What the BBC says is that it's the first evidence of bases in fallujah...

The BBC's Jennifer Glasse, at US marines' headquarters outside Falluja, said this was the first concrete proof that insurgents had bases in the area.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Forsythe
But reagrding the BBC, they get their news from somewhere, in this case the US Military.

DOesn't the BBC have embedded reporters also?

Indeed they do. Your point?

That the source is BBC reporters, not the US Military

A US marines spokesman said the three Iraqi contractors, who worked on a US military base, were captured last week.


The men were found blindfolded, in a locked room in a house just outside Falluja.

Six suspected militants were detained in the raid.

In the same building, US troops found surface-to-air missiles, night-vision equipment, black uniforms, computers and a weapons cache.

They also retrieved what they called anti-coalition propaganda and videotapes showing torture of hostages and weapons training.

Inside the city itself, marines freed a fourth hostage, an Iraqi taxi driver who said he had been held for 10 days.

He did not work with Americans and said he did not know why he was kidnapped.

He said the men holding him beat him repeatedly, and he had scars on his wrists and feet where he had been handcuffed.

What the BBC says is that it's the first evidence of bases in fallujah...

The BBC's Jennifer Glasse, at US marines' headquarters outside Falluja, said this was the first concrete proof that insurgents had bases in the area.

Exactly! All they get from their correspondant is that this was the first evidence of a base.

I'm not trying to dispute that they found hostages, not at all. I'm not that stupid. I'm disputing what they say they found. Such as the torture tapes and stuff.