US to Expand Iraq Weapons Search: 1400 Member team will Search for Weapons

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U.S. Announces Expanded Search for Iraqi Arms


By Charles Aldinger and Will Dunham
Reuters
Friday, May 30, 2003; 3:56 PM


The United States Friday announced a major expansion of so-far fruitless efforts to find chemical and biological arms in Iraq, forming a team of 1,400 U.S., British and Australian experts to take up the hunt.

The Pentagon named Army Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton to head the new Iraq Survey Group, which will try to find alleged arms that Washington cited as its main justification for the invasion of Iraq in March that toppled President Saddam Hussein.

No such weapons have been found, and the move was announced just hours after Lt. Gen. James Conway, the top U.S. Marine officer in Iraq, said U.S. intelligence was "simply wrong" in leading the military to believe that the invading troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons.

"The Iraq Survey Group represents a significant expansion of effort in the hunt for weapons of mass destruction as we build on the efforts that are ongoing," Dayton, director of operations for the Defense Intelligence Agency, told a Pentagon briefing.

"We may get lucky. We may not. We may find out three months from now that there was a very elaborate deception program going on that resulted in the destruction of stuff."

While the new group will be staffed by up to 1,400 people from the United States, Britain and Australia, it will increase the number of searchers in Iraq to about 300 from the current 200, Dayton said. Others will be involved in tasks ranging from analyzing documents to questioning people who may have knowledge of such weapons.

With offices in Baghdad, Qatar and Washington, the group will undertake other tasks including collecting information on terrorism, war crimes and prisoner of war issues, he said.

It will replace the U.S. military's 75th Exploitation Task Force, which has been looking for weapons for two months with no success despite visiting 220 of 900 suspected sites. A two-week transition period will begin no later than June 7.

"The goal is to put all the pieces together in what is appearing to be a very complex jigsaw puzzle," Dayton said.

But Conway, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said in a teleconference with reporters at the Pentagon it was too early to say whether the United States also had been wrong in charging that Iraq had chemical and biological arms when the invasion began 2-1/2 months ago.

"We were simply wrong," he said of the assessment that chemical shells or other weapons were ready in southern Iraq and likely to be used against invaders by Saddam's forces.

"Whether or not we are wrong at the national level I think still very much remains to be seen. ... 'Intelligence failure,' I think, is still too strong a word to use at this point," said Conway, speaking from the town of Hilla, south of Baghdad.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other Bush administration officials have expressed confidence such weapons will be found, although Rumsfeld this week conceded Iraq may have decided to destroy them ahead of the invasion.

Conway said he was convinced when U.S. and British troops swept into Iraq from Kuwait that they would come under chemical or biological attack before they reached Baghdad.

But such shells have not been found even in ammunition storage sites. "It was a surprise to me then. It remains a surprise to me now that we have not uncovered weapons ... in some of the forward dispersal sites," said Conway. "Believe me, it's not for lack of trying."


© 2003 Reuters

 

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But such shells have not been found even in ammunition storage sites. "It was a surprise to me then. It remains a surprise to me now that we have not uncovered weapons ... in some of the forward dispersal sites," said Conway. "Believe me, it's not for lack of trying."

What a bombshell. Even people in the military (not the message board computer nerd patriots) are admitting that they have been searching hard and can't find anything. So much for "people are shooting at them so they can't search" bs.
 

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Watch what happens.

Some small lab and a bit of WMD's will eventually found. Not enough to be a danger, but enough evidence for the war contingent to say "See! We knew he had them" Of course it will be all after the fact, if indeed anything is found, but Bush would be right. He knew exactly what they had and where. Just ask him.. after the fact.
 

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<<"We may get lucky. We may not. We may find out three months from now that there was a very elaborate deception program going on that resulted in the destruction of stuff.">>

As each day passes, it's becoming more and more possible that if you took out all of the words after on this statement would make better sense.
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Watch what happens.

Some small lab and a bit of WMD's will eventually found. Not enough to be a danger, but enough evidence for the war contingent to say "See! We knew he had them" Of course it will be all after the fact, if indeed anything is found, but Bush would be right. He knew exactly what they had and where. Just ask him.. after the fact.

I thought the memo said to use the "Bush planted them" argument ;)

CkG
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Watch what happens.

Some small lab and a bit of WMD's will eventually found. Not enough to be a danger, but enough evidence for the war contingent to say "See! We knew he had them" Of course it will be all after the fact, if indeed anything is found, but Bush would be right. He knew exactly what they had and where. Just ask him.. after the fact.
Actually, I thought something like this might be the case all along. I'll admit I am surprised that nothing has turned up so far; I thought we would find something of substance for sure, but in evaluating it as a real imminent security threat, I thought it would fall short. I was in support of the war, and still am, but I always felt the administration was not being on the level when soliciting support. To me there was plenty of reason to finish off the Saddam regime without the need to resort to scare tactics, but I guess they needed something in big, bold, black and white to garner support. Now it's coming back to bite them in the ass.

 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Watch what happens.

Some small lab and a bit of WMD's will eventually found. Not enough to be a danger, but enough evidence for the war contingent to say "See! We knew he had them" Of course it will be all after the fact, if indeed anything is found, but Bush would be right. He knew exactly what they had and where. Just ask him.. after the fact.

The US has shot itself in the foot with that Maryland Find (if it is true) of our forgotten WMD. Now everyone wishing to will say Saddam forgot about those... even the US forgot in Maryland Sh!t happens if the folks searching should turn up the odd bit or even a reasonable cache of the stuff. I think.
 

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The US has shot itself in the foot with that Maryland Find (if it is true) of our forgotten WMD.
Now everyone wishing to will say Saddam forgot about those... even the US forgot in Maryland
Sh!t happens if the folks searching should turn up the odd bit or even a reasonable cache of the
stuff. I think.

To indulge this idiocy . . . how so ? did our admission require 3 u.n. inspection regimes, countless
failed resolutions, and the wanton murder of thousands of political opponents to come about ? let
me help you with your answer in keeping with your creative logic . . . . yeeeeees ?

Nixon ended our offensive program for wmd over 30 years ago. you must believe your buddy
saddam did the same.

Saddam has already used the excuse you cite above, and then some. As believable as he is to
you and your ilk, the U.N. at least had the werewithal to doubt his sincerity and ask for proof.

I know, i know, dumb, stupid U.N. how dare they ask for proof from such a gentle mass murderer
who built a stalinesque police state non pareil. Shouldn't his word be enough ?!?!


 

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I think I could condone a weapon's plant about this time. This issue could damage our credibility in the eyes of the world. That would be bad for us and bad for us isn't good. What isn't good is ok to cover up or fake somehow. The ends, the importance of our prestige, justifies a plant.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think I could condone a weapon's plant about this time. This issue could damage our credibility in the eyes of the world. That would be bad for us and bad for us isn't good. What isn't good is ok to cover up or fake somehow. The ends, the importance of our prestige, justifies a plant.

How hard would it be to erase any sign of US WMD from our stuff to act as the plant? It may be that we won't find any WMD in Iraq and if we're gonna plant it better be a good one... No?

 

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Why it takes 1400 people to find the weapons:

300 to acquire the weapons from various sources in the U.S.
300 to deliver those newly acquired weapons to the team in Iraq
400 to plant them in sites around the country
400 to follow the ones planting the weapons so they know where to look.
 

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Not really sure we need a good plant, or even a plant really at all. If Bush gets on the tube and announces we found millions of tons of WMD in Saddams bathtub, I think that would do it for 70% of the people.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not really sure we need a good plant, or even a plant really at all. If Bush gets on the tube and announces we found millions of tons of WMD in Saddams bathtub, I think that would do it for 70% of the people.

The sad thing is that is probably right. I mean how many people bought the whole 9/11 connection during the build up to war? I saw some poll during that time that a vast majority of americans thought the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqi's..

:(
 

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not really sure we need a good plant, or even a plant really at all. If Bush gets on the tube and announces we found millions of tons of WMD in Saddam's bathtub, I think that would do it for 70% of the people.

The sad thing is that is probably right. I mean how many people bought the whole 9/11 connection during the build up to war? I saw some poll during that time that a vast majority of Americans thought the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqi's..

:(

Hell, the most rabid supporters I know "in the real world" did not know the difference between Bin Laden and Saddam. I don't mean philosophically, but they thought they were different names for the same person and I kid you not. They thought the different names were "an Arab thing"

Now the scary punchline. These people vote.