US Supreme Court Case - Florida Election + FSC rulings (Gore Losses)

[Michael]

Here is my guess:

It will come down to the conservative view of state rights vs. the conservative view of anti-activist judges. State rights will win and the US Supreme Court will rule that this is a matter to be settled in Florida by the Florida Leglislature or the Florida Courts.

Michael

 

[Michael]

Listening to the questioning of the Republican side, the US Supreme Court is really struggling with why they should get involved. The tape of the questioning is available from the online news serverices. I have never heard a US Supreme COurt hearing, and the questioning is direct and to the point.

Michael

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

All appellate advocacy basically works this way, and it is not a lot of fun for the lawyers involved!

 

[ride525]

Well, most analysts thought is was rather curious that the US Supreme Court even heard this case in the first place. My feeling is, that is was so important, that they wanted to make sure.

It just gets more and more interesting....

 

[rahvin]

They are going to set a precedent on state rights with this one. Florida and florida alone decides who gets the florida electoral votes. I'm glad they took it, they are gonna lay the smack down...

 

[FettsBabe]

The court was definately right by agreeing to hear the case. They will set precedence for state rights and legislative duty.

 

[Michael]

Justice O'Conner said that the Florida Leglistature can select Electors. Hmmm, that's a key statement.

Michael

 

[DefRef]

I agree that states rights should be paramount, BUT, and this is a big but, if the Democrats on the FL Supreme Court can rewrite the laws at will to advance their party's causes, then why bother with a Legislature? Why should laws be written if partisan activist judges can change the rules to help their own? The Republicans would rightfully be howled down if they tried a stunt like this, but the Democrats are cheered on by a complicit media and an ignorant public.

BTW: The FL Legislature is well within it's rights to pick electors, despite what the Vice-Liar Joe L. is yapping about. It would be political suicide, but total legal.

 

[FettsBabe]

I don't think it would be political suicide, but it would cause problems, but it could also make all the Repub's get out and vote at the next election to keep them in office. Ya never know whats going to happen!!!

I do hope this is settled soon.

 

[Michael]

A Justice just brought up a point that I raised a few times - there was no REQUIREMENT for a manual recount, it just was an option.

Michael

 

[rahvin]

<<I agree that states rights should be paramount, BUT, and this is a big but, if the Democrats on the FL Supreme Court can rewrite the laws at will to advance their party's causes, then why bother with a Legislature?>>

The courts are NOT rewriting the laws. They are interpeting sloppy legislation! If the legislature had not written two conflicting laws on the books the court wouldn't even be involved. They interpreted a middle ground between the two laws, the legislature has the ability to correct the situation if they desire to.

 

[DefRef]

The Courts DID rewrite the law. They used bogus info concerning dimpled chads in Illinois and yielded to David Boies (sp?) pleas to use their power to make new rules extending the deadline over the Circuit Court and Dem. Attny. Gen. rulings. They're clearly sucking up for U.S. Supreme Court seats if they deliver for Gore.

The political suicide would be if the GOP held Leg. voted a slate of electors and Jeb Bush signed off, you can COUNT ON the Dems (and by extension, their willing lackeys in the media) to scream REPEATEDLY that &quot;Dubya isn't legit! His brother thwarted the will of the people!&quot; for at least the next two years. The Dems would love it because they've never been interested in the truth if it stood in the way of their goals and a dumbed-down public isn't going to know (or be told) that the LAW and THE CONSTITUION clearly entitles the Legislature to act when the system goes haywire.

 

[veryape]

In the end,the Presidential canidate's brother can not ultimately decide the election outcome. From a moral and non-partisan standpoint that is. Since it will be said anyhow I will say it for you Republicans,&quot;Democrats have morals?&quot;.Damn right there would be a public outcry. It just can't possibly be non-biased and partisan(redundant?).

 

[Michael]

veryape - there is no law that says that Jeb Bush cannot sign what the Florida and House give him. He has a duty to the people who elected him and he swore to uphold the laws of Florida when he assumed his office.

It may be politically difficult because of the fact that his brother is involved, but that is a side issue.

Michael

 

[Michael]

OK - I listened to the whole thing. The Justices asked very tough questions to both sides. I wish there were TV cameras there so I could see both lawyers squirm.

My guess and gut feel is that they worked the Republican side over more than they worked the Democrat side over.

Michael

Transcript of the Hearing

ps - In reading the transcript, I am struck by the impression that they really beat up Tribe on why he thought the Florida Supreme Court had the right to step in the way they did.

 

[Double Trouble]

I got the exact same reading of the intentions of the court as Michael did. On the one hand the conservative judges believe in allowing the states to determine matters within their jurisdiction -- they don't want to interfere. On the other hand, they see the partisan Gorons on the Florida supreme court rewriting laws to suit the needs of their guy (with an eye on possibly being appointed by Gore to the US supreme court at a later time).

Based on the questions I heard, I think in the end they're not gonna want to set a precedent that would take too much power away from the states, and they will let the Florida supreme cheaters off the hook.

I did hear several indications though that they believe the Florida Legislature indeed does have the power to override the illigitimate democrat result (should that be needed) when the time comes.... and that's a good sign. Lying-man and the Gorons are already trying to spout BS about the legislature not being able to override the results.... I'm guessing that issue is gonna come back to the supreme court in it's own trial when the time comes. The legislature will thow out the fraudulent result if Gorons manage to manufacture enough votes.....

 

[Michael]

Florida Supreme Court just rejected the Gore request to order counts to start right way and to make the schedule move fasyer.

Michael

 

[ToBeMe]

BREAKING NEWS from CNN.com
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-- Florida Supreme Court dismisses Gore request to speed up
contest

 

[Michael]

Florida Supreme Court says no revote in PBC. That means no more agruments about the ballots being &quot;confusing&quot; or illegal.

Micahel

 

[Double Trouble]

That's all a smoke screen... the real cheating will still be going on with the hand count if one is allowed. All the other stuff is minor. Of course there's also the one suit where the Dems (who want &quot;every vote counted&quot are trying to have about 5000 votes for Bush thrown out on a technicality.......

 

[Valhalla1]

Bush wins.

 

[ride525]

<< Of course there's also the one suit where the Dems (who want &quot;every vote counted&quot are trying to have about 5000 votes for Bush thrown out on a technicality....... >>



It just gets better....a second suit in a second county today, alleging the same thing.....Republicans given access to ballot applications to fill them out.

I believe Florida was having so much trouble with absentee ballots that a law was passed recently that said only the voter (or immediate family) could fill out the request for absentee ballot. We'll have to see if this &quot;technicality&quot; is upheld or not....

It just gets more and more interesting....

 

[Ronstang]

It's sad we are still debating this whole issue. Gore lost 24 days ago and he just doesn't get it. The real sad thing is that if he would have simply carried his home state of Tennessee this whole Florida debacle would be moot. The fact that the poor schlep couldn't win his own state, where people know him best, should send a clear message about the guys ability/credibility/integrity/etc.

 

[ride525]

<< Gore lost 24 days ago >>



It clearly hadn't been decided 24 days ago.......

And still hasn't....there are lawsuits everywhere.....State courts....Federal courts...US Supreme court.....

 

[SJ]

See, the democrats technically broke laws too, the apps they sent out had the voter ID already printed on them(known fact), the same thing the people argueing in court saying republicans filled out the voter id because their vendors left them off, republicans were correcting a mistake, don't throw out any. The Florida Supreme Court, will decide the outcome of both cases, they will not throw out 17,000+ and 10,000+ ballots, that the voters legally cast on Nov 7. Those people thought they filled out the application right, their votes should count, unless they are felons or dead. Theres a good likely hood Gore will not even be allowed another hand count, way the Leon County Circuit Court seems to be leaning. And besides, theres no way in hell they can count 2.8million ballots(1.6 from Dade, Nassau and PBC, and 1.2 from Broward, Voulsia and some other county) in 10 or less days. Come December 11, Florida Legislature will vote in a Bush electoral vote, Jeb will let the Lt Governer sign it.