US stops Intel from selling Xeons to Chinese gub'ment

Burpo

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I did. I was wondering how long it would be before the govt. stepped in and prohibited this. I'm sure China will get around it.
 
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DrMrLordX

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But the US gub'ment has been selling out to the Chicoms for decades. Oh well.

Regardless, how is this going to affect Intel's bottom line? This ban is about like saying, "okay guys, stop selling Phi to the Chicoms".
 

Cerb

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But the US gub'ment has been selling out to the Chicoms for decades. Oh well.

Regardless, how is this going to affect Intel's bottom line? This ban is about like saying, "okay guys, stop selling Phi to the Chicoms".
They can use shells. The physical acquisition gets delayed for a couple weeks, and they have a few more paper-pushers to pay. That's just one way I can think of, that would be easy for them, and that they probably already have experience with. It's national defense theater, and is as laughable as the TSA.
 

jhu

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That also doesn't stop'em from buying AMD parts or improving their home-grown CPUs.
 
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That also doesn't stop'em from buying AMD parts or improving their home-grown CPUs.

AMD cpus are so lousy that the government does not care if China gets them?? Just a joke AMD fans. I read this as banning all sales of certain classes of technology. It probably just mentioned intel because they already must have had sales in the works. I dont think the government could ban sales from one particular company.
 

DrMrLordX

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The way I read it, the US gub'ment isn't happy with what China has done with Tianhe-2 in particular, so they don't want them to get any more/better equipment. I'm not sure that using middlemen or asking an OEM like Lenovo to shuffle hardware around is really going to be a solution. Phi is a fairly specialized product that will probably sell in lower volume than bog-standard Xeons you'd expect to find in any server room around the world. There's a pretty small client list buying Phi in quantity. That should make it somewhat-enforceable for anything but small quantities of Xeon Phi.

That being said, yes, they can just as easily build something out of IBM POWER + Nvidia GPUs, or AMD Opterons + AMD GPUs, or whatever. It should also serve as an impetus for the Chicoms to pursue their own national semiconductor research and production efforts more aggressively than before.
 
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Well again, the sale, or more correctly, the export license, was denied specifically to intel because they were the company that had made the sale and wanted to export the product. I cant imagine that amd or ibm would be granted a license to export a similar product either.
 

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I love the US. We so have our priorities straight. :rolleyes:

At least Intel can make hay from this. Nothing says your product is teh uber supreme than being so powerful that even the US government dare not let it fall into the hands of the Chinese :hmm:
 

BonzaiDuck

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Perhaps my remark here is wandering into the more proper area of another forum.

But are we anxious because "IT World" published an "alarm?" Or are we -- at least in part -- driven by a "Yellow Peril" myth?

Sometime within the last decade or so, before his succession by Putin, Russia's Medvedev had remarked that no country could effectively restrain the flow of information between its citizens with the availability of cell-phones ands laptop computers.

My view of the so-called "Cold War's End:" it had less to do with the Ronald Reagan and the Pope, less to do with US defense spending, and owed more to simply the collapse of a command economy and the emergence of these devices. A USSR regime was between a rock and a hard place, knowing that they couldn't compete with their lumbering mainframes in a world where the other side was proliferating PCs and cell-phones. The writing was on the wall. Samizdat was freed from the typewriter and mass-published in PDF.

Are the "Chi-Coms" interested in putting your "precious bodily fluids" in peril? I rather doubt it.

You have more to worry about with DPRK and a little psycho like Kim Jong Un. And any pipsqueak country bent on building their own nukes so they can "stand up" to the US is tilting at windmills. They're more clueless than anyone else. Possibly "dangerous?" Sure. But also the object of hilarity and derision.

The other two major players have been described by the likes of Henry Kissinger as "rational." No less -- I'd say that about the Iranians, despite their Revolutionary Guard. The hypocrisy of it: Israel has likely had a nuclear weapon for decades -- never officially acknowledged. The Iranians know it; everyone else knows it. But anyone in their right mind knows what would happen if such a weapon were used. The biggest risk: proliferation that increases the uncertainty about who did what and with which and to whom -- and the miscalculations between the other players once the unthinkable occurs. Thus our concern that the wrong weapon will fall into the hands of criminally-insane terrorists who are nuttier than a bag of squirrel-shit.

So why are we so unsettled about the proliferation of an Intel chip, to a country that already manufacturers so many other parts for the world-wide industry?
 

Mondozei

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The major question is how China will get around it? It basically has to start a competitor that will be better than Intel from scratch.

Can the Chinese do it? I hope so, because that company would probably go consumer as well because if it actually made CPUs that are faster than Intel then it could earn billions and billions on the consumer market too.

But I'm doubtful. The Chinese were going to create an alternative to Android too, and where did that go?
 

MongGrel

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I did. I was wondering how long it would be before the govt. stepped in and prohibited this. I'm sure China will get around it.

Those silly Xeons.

Yeah I imagine if they really want to sidestep it they will.

It's just a click away.
 
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jhu

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So the government blocks a sale of a couple of computers but they will allow the sale of AMD in entirity to them? Seriously?

Or they could try to buy VIA, which is outside of US jurisdiction, if they really wanted x86. Most likely scenario is they find some other way to get the CPUs they want.
 

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Assuming AMD wanted to be bought by China, they could just move their headquarters to some other country first.

Unlikely. Anything advanced enough inside AMD is likely considered restricted. In fact, there are cases where even non-US based companies have to safeguard their US made/designed technology. And any scheme to circumvent export controlled technology transfer has pretty significant legal ramifications.

That means for instance, if Intel has reason to believe or suspect that Xeons shipped to Lenovo will be re-purposed for supers, they can't sell/ship them to lenovo.

It also means that any other US based technology company is likely in the same spot as Intel. AKA, no they can't just switch to Power and Nvidia GPUs.