US Soldiers Execute Iraqi Family

jpeyton

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It's gone beyond simply being cynical of our military's actions in Iraq. Multiple sources (Iraqi police, relatives, neighbors, even the Iraqi interpreter) all have the same story on this one: trigger happy US soldiers stormed a mud-hut, shot first, and made up a fairy-tale about "insurgents" later. An entire unarmed family (mother, father, son, and two daughters) were shot; all but one daughter died.

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By KIM GAMEL

The U.S. military faced complaints Tuesday from its Sunni allies over claims that more civilians had been killed by American forces ? amplifying tensions as the Pentagon tries to calm anger over an airstrike last week that claimed innocent lives.

The disputes have further strained ties with anti-al-Qaida fighters considered crucial in turning the tide against extremist violence.

The latest deaths occurred when U.S. soldiers ? acting on tips ? stormed a squat, mud-brick house in the village of Adwar, 10 miles south of Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit. The predominantly Sunni area is home to many former members of Saddam's regime, and has been the frequent site of American raids.

The U.S. military said a gunbattle broke out after the troops came under small-arms fire by two suspected terrorists. It acknowledged a woman was killed and a child was wounded, but said it was not clear who shot them.

Two other men were killed and the military described them as insurgents.

But Iraqi police, relatives and neighbors said a couple and their 19-year-old son were shot to death in their beds. Iraqi police also said two girls were wounded and one later died. AP Television News video showed the doors pockmarked with bullet holes and pillows and other bedding on the floor and soaked with blood.

It was the second time in as many days that the U.S. military conceded involvement in the death of Iraqi civilians.

On Monday, the military said it had accidentally killed nine Iraqi civilians, including a child, in an airstrike Saturday targeting al-Qaida in Iraq south of Baghdad.

The killings illustrate the increasing difficulty in identifying the enemy as the nature of the U.S.-led war in Iraq has changed. Many former insurgents and tribal leaders have joined forces with the Americans against al-Qaida in Iraq. The mistaken shootings also threaten to jeopardize the fragile relationship between the Americans and their new Sunni partners.

"Such acts by U.S. soldiers cannot be justified and they will create mistrust and arouse suspicions between U.S. Army and members of the awakening councils," said Abu Muthanna, a leader of a U.S.-backed anti-al-Qaida group in the northern Baghdad neighborhood of Azamiyah. "This could hurt the level of cooperation between the two sides."

Both U.S. raids on Saturday and Tuesday were based on what the military said was intelligence gleaned from informants. That raised the possibility that the military was misled into targeting the households, perhaps as part of an insurgent campaign to derail the U.S.-backed Sunni revolt against al-Qaida in Iraq.

In Tuesday's incident, the U.S. military said it "regrets the loss of an innocent civilian and the wounding of a child." It said U.S. soldiers killed the two men in self-defense.

But the head of Adwar's Awakening Council, Col. Mutasim Ahmed, said that one of the men killed was a U.S.-allied fighter and said it appeared that gunmen were positioned near the house and attacked the Americans, provoking return fire.

"Our own investigation is continuing and this area is full of al-Qaida operatives who are not satisfied with our successful work with the Americans," he said. "I cannot rule out that the enemy is trying to sow seeds of division between us and the Americans."

He vowed to keep up the fight against al-Qaida, but said his fighters would break their alliance with Americans if civilian deaths continued.

"Such actions could have a negative impact on our joint work to root out al-Qaida," he warned.

Kareem Talea Hamad, a cousin of one of those killed Tuesday, said he watched the raid from his house across the street, and gave an account that differed from the American military's initial reports.

Hamad said U.S. soldiers opened the house's door and opened fire at once, killing its unarmed residents: father Ali Hamad Shihab, 55, his wife Naeimah Ali Sulaiman, 40, and their son Diaa Ali, who was a member of the local Awakening Council.

Two other daughters were wounded and taken to hospitals, and one died Tuesday morning, Hamad said. An Iraqi police officer, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information, supported Hamad's account.

A surviving daughter, Nawal Ali, 16, said that she was in the house at the time of the raid, and that an Iraqi interpreter working for U.S. forces tried to stop the American soldiers from killing her parents.

The unidentified interpreter rushed into the house after he heard gunshots, Ali said. "He shouted at the Americans, saying `What the heck are you are doing?'" she said, adding he then pushed the troops away from the children.


American and Iraqi commanders say the Sunni uprising has helped drive al-Qaida from the belts around Baghdad and forced extremists to hunt for new havens in northern Iraq. As areas have been cleared, more evidence of the brutality of the terror network has been uncovered.

U.S.-backed tribesmen discovered about 50 bodies Tuesday in a mass grave in a former al-Qaida stronghold of Jazeerah near Lake Tharthar, an area northwest of Baghdad where hundreds of bodies have been unearthed in recent months, said Col. Mazin Younis Hussein, commander of a Samarra police unit.

Some of the bodies were severely decomposed, suggesting they were buried months ago, while others appeared to have been killed recently, said police Lt. Muthanna Shakir, who visited the site.

The U.S. military said it had no information about the discovery.

A suicide bomber also struck the convoy of a sheik working with U.S. forces Tuesday in Taji, 12 miles north of Baghdad, killing his nephew and another follower, police and the sheik said.

In a separate development, a new Iraqi flag ? without the three green stars of Saddam Hussein's ousted Baath party ? was hoisted Tuesday over the Iraqi Cabinet building in Baghdad in a symbolic break with the past.

The Iraqi Oil Ministry accused Iran of overpumping in a shared field about 200 miles southeast of Baghdad.

An official at Iraq's South Oil Company, which is controled by the ministry, claimed Iran was pumping oil from their portion of the al-Fakkah field at such high rates that nine of 22 wells in Iraqi territory have been left inoperable. He further said the Iranians are blocking Iraqi repair crews from reaching the nine wells.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.

On Monday, the state-run al-Sabah daily said Iraq's Foreign Affairs Ministry had sent a protest note to Tehran.
 

RichardE

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The unidentified interpreter rushed into the house after he heard gunshots, Ali said. "He shouted at the Americans, saying `What the heck are you are doing?'" she said, adding he then pushed the troops away from the children.

Smart, lets push the guys with the guns
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: RichardE
The unidentified interpreter rushed into the house after he heard gunshots, Ali said. "He shouted at the Americans, saying `What the heck are you are doing?'" she said, adding he then pushed the troops away from the children.

Smart, lets push the guys with the guns

yeah he should let them shoot the children :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
The unidentified interpreter rushed into the house after he heard gunshots, Ali said. "He shouted at the Americans, saying `What the heck are you are doing?'" she said, adding he then pushed the troops away from the children.

Smart, lets push the guys with the guns

Sad, that's your only reaction to the article.
 

Pabster

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So, OP, let me guess...this is representative of our entire Armed Forces.

It's a sad story, but I'd say you're over-sensationalizing it.
 

blackangst1

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Im sure Bush called that battalion personally and ordered it. Easier than taking them to Gitmo.

On a serious note,
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NoStateofMind

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Anyone notice how there is alot of these "Awakening Council" people getting killed?

Anyways, this is terrible. More reason to GTFO. Do you think the surrounding countriies don't get this news or something? What do you think is going to happen the more news like this hits their newspapers? Will they still send us oil and checks? Finance our war? Pay for our consumer goods? We have succeeded in ruining any and all credibility with other nations.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Pabster
So, OP, let me guess...this is representative of our entire Armed Forces.

It's a sad story, but I'd say you're over-sensationalizing it.

Yeah, I guess a swat team invading your home shooting to kill first would be "over-sensationalizing" :roll:


EDIT: and whats with this "everyone is Al Qaeda" shit? Not every damn person fighting us over there is Al Qaeda. Talk about over-sensationalizing. Thats it in a nutshell.
 

jpeyton

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At least they met their insurgent quota for the day.

I'm sure they're appealing right now to their superiors to get the mom and sister labeled as insurgents too. Their case would be much stronger if they didn't leave so many witnesses, including the surviving daughter.
 

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What do you guys expect.
We dont trust our 30 and 40 something populations to even plan for something as simple as their own damned retirement. You expect 18 and 19 year olds to stay cool after getting shot at day in and day out?
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
What do you guys expect.
We dont trust our 30 and 40 something populations to even plan for something as simple as their own damned retirement. You expect 18 and 19 year olds to stay cool after getting shot at day in and day out?

Then maybe we shouldn't be so quick to send these 18 and 19 year olds to occupy other countries :roll:
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Anyone notice how there is alot of these "Awakening Council" people getting killed?

Anyways, this is terrible. More reason to GTFO. Do you think the surrounding countriies don't get this news or something? What do you think is going to happen the more news like this hits their newspapers? Will they still send us oil and checks? Finance our war? Pay for our consumer goods? We have succeeded in ruining any and all credibility with other nations.

Propaganda is the most powerful weapon.

And you guys eat it up like cupcakes. War is hell. Don't oppose us.

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Let's not forget we are at war. Our own propaganda anti-war machines are drumming up as much as the pro-war machines are of our enemies.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: jman19
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Just one of the prices paid for occupying a foreign nation.

Tell that to the South Koreans that were spared from communism and the Vietnamese that are starving under communism.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Im sure Bush called that battalion personally and ordered it. Easier than taking them to Gitmo.

On a serious note,
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He sent them there after giving lies as reasons. The Buck stops with Bush.
 

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yes, let us not forget about that powerful iraqi propaganda machine......
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: JS80
the Vietnamese that are starving under communism.
Starving because of communism, or starving because we carpet bombed their nation, napalmed their vegetation, and fought a lengthy war the killed 1.3 million Vietnamese soldiers, wounded 1.8 million Vietnamese soldiers, and killed at least 2 million (conservatively, estimates go as high as 5 million) Vietnamese civilians?

In hindsight, we all now know the "domino theory" of communism was a crock of shit fed to us by our war-hungry leadership. And we also now know that communism isn't permanent by any means, and nations should be given a right to choose their course through history.

Vietnam is seeing gains now:

The country is listed among the "Next Eleven" economies; according to government figures, GDP growth was 8.17% in 2006, the second fastest growth rate among countries in East Asia and the fastest in Southeast Asia. Late 2007, the ministry of finance said the GDP growth was estimated to hit a ten-year high record at 8.44% in 2007.
But imagine how much better their situation would have been had we not interfered in their civil conflict, destroying their infrastructure and working class in the process; leaving them to pick up the ashes for decades after we left.

And what does communism have to do with Iraq anyway?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Propaganda is the most powerful weapon.
Indeed; our military is one of the best propaganda machines in the world.
 

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Uhhh...it's called war.

What is the purpose of this thread? Fallacy ftw!

In any case, there is plenty of concrete evidence that supports the idea of an illegal/useless/wasteful/disgusting/blah blah blah war.

Raging propaganda war with juvenile copy and pastes and abused insults ("Winning the hearts and minds since 2003) won't win anybody over except maybe the scattered masturbatory zealots who stalk AT.

Ok, that was a little mean...but it's true...lolz

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Uhhh...it's called war.
Amazing we have people on this forum excuse the murder of an unarmed family...in their beds, in their home...mother, father, brother, sister...under the excuse of "it's war".

Even in war, we are bound by rules of engagement. Look them up junior.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Uhhh...it's called war.
Amazing we have people on this forum excuse the murder of an unarmed family...in their beds, in their home...mother, father, brother, sister...under the excuse of "it's war".

Even in war, we are bound by rules of engagement. Look them up junior.

They shot. They got owned.

do NOT oppose us. do NOT send up a kid with fruit to hug the soldier underwhich is hidden grenades.

When your enemy doesn't abide by the rules of engagement you don't either. war is never pretty, and you guys are all too happy to lap up the propaganda.

What's worse is you spread it. Maybe worse than that is you believe it.

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"oh, you're trying to kill me! Can I shoot back? I understand that you aren't a soldier, but you're trying to kill me...so I'm just gonna go ahead and kill you first."
 

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what is the point of this thread?

to gloat that something bad happened in iraq?

Are you happy the family is dead OP?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: spidey07
They shot.
How do unarmed people shoot?

Reading comprehension?

you guys are all too happy to lap up the propaganda.
And strangely, you're the one who believes executing an unarmed family was justified because of our official "explanation".

Pot...kettle...