US Senate unanimously backs Jerusalem on Gaza

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pcgeek11

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I'll say this from the start. Do you have any Unbiased sources?

I did not say that the Allies knew Nothing. We did know that they were herded into camps, we knew that they were being mistreated. The Allies did Not Know the extent of the Holocaust Until we located the camps.

Your little library above actually proposes that we should have disregarded the lives of those in the camps and bombed them. Actually they said we should have bombed the Gas Chambers and railways that supplied them. They did not have anything but dumb bombs at the time so we could have just carpet bombed the entire camp.

The only way to have done anything about the Holocaust was to get to defeat the Germans and get to the camps. That is what we did, we met a little resistance along the way...

I say you are still incorrect in that you think that the Allies knew the extent of the horrors that were occurring and then ignored it.
 
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pcgeek11

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I fully back the Jewish State in their invasion of Gaza. When they are continually bombarded with hundreds of rockets daily, what would you expect them to do? Sit back and take it?
 
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In that, you are in error. The full extent of Nazi atrocities (what he actually said) was not known until the liberation of concentration camps. War being what it is, it was impossible to know prior to that.

It is very much America's assumed & unwarranted guilt trip over the holocaust that colors our judgment to this day. We didn't do it, nor were we complicit. Only when we shed that will we be able to see our Israeli friends in an honest light. If white supremacy is bad, how can Jewish supremacy be good? Or Muslim, Hindu, Catholic or Protestant, for that matter?

In truth, you can see the same murderous sentiment the Nazis held against the Jews, the Roma & the Slavs expressed against the Pals in this thread & many others.

This is what I originally wrote:

"They may not have known about everything but as early as 1940/41 information was getting out to the allies. Certainly by 1942 they had been informed of a campaign of extermination being conducted by the Germans against the Jews."

What I wrote is true. If you have a problem with that I don't know what to say. My statement is backed by the historical record.

The rest of what you wrote has nothing to do with my statements so, whatever?
 
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I'll say this from the start. Do you have any Unbiased sources?

I did not say that the Allies knew Nothing. We did know that they were herded into camps, we knew that they were being mistreated. The Allies did Not Know the extent of the Holocaust Until we located the camps.

Your little library above actually proposes that we should have disregarded the lives of those in the camps and bombed them. Actually they said we should have bombed the Gas Chambers and railways that supplied them. They did not have anything but dumb bombs at the time so we could have just carpet bombed the entire camp.

The only way to have done anything about the Holocaust was to get to defeat the Germans and get to the camps. That is what we did, we met a little resistance along the way...

I say you are still incorrect in that you think that the Allies knew the extent of the horrors that were occurring and then ignored it.

I have not claimed that they knew the complete extent and then ignored it. Although, it should be noted that the wide spread antisemitism in various countries like the U.S., Canada, Britain and Russia certainly didn't help matters and, at times, various parts of the allied governments did, in fact, try and suppress or delay the dissemination of information regarding the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis.

This is what I said: "They may not have known about everything but as early as 1940/41 information was getting out to the allies. Certainly by 1942 they had been informed of a campaign of extermination being conducted by the Germans against the Jews."

Is the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum unbiased enough for you? If not, you could try reading a history book or two.

"In August 1942, the State Department received a report sent by Gerhart Riegner, the Geneva-based representative of the World Jewish Congress (WJC). The report revealed that the Germans were implementing a policy to physically annihilate the Jews of Europe. Department officials declined to pass on the report to its intended recipient, American Jewish leader Stephen Wise, who was President of the World Jewish Congress.

Despite the State Department's delay in publicizing the mass murder, that same month Wise received the report via British channels. He sought permission from the State Department to make its contents public. Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles asked Wise not to publicize the information until the State Department confirmed it. Wise agreed and after three months the State Department notified him that its sources had confirmation. On November 24, 1942, Wise held a press conference to announce that Nazi Germany was implementing a policy to annihilate the European Jews. A few weeks later, on December 17, the United States, Great Britain, and ten other Allied governments issued a declaration denouncing Nazi Germany's intention to murder the Jews of Europe. The declaration warned Nazi Germany that it would be held responsible for these crimes."

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005182

So, in 1942 the allies knew that the Nazi plan was to exterminate all Jews. At that point did they really have to know about the ovens?
 

Jhhnn

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This is what I originally wrote:

"They may not have known about everything but as early as 1940/41 information was getting out to the allies. Certainly by 1942 they had been informed of a campaign of extermination being conducted by the Germans against the Jews."

What I wrote is true. If you have a problem with that I don't know what to say. My statement is backed by the historical record.

The rest of what you wrote has nothing to do with my statements so, whatever?

Your comment was intended to evoke the same guilt trip that's warped our judgment since WW2. "You knew! You knew!" is an immaterial load of horseshit in the context that we were engaged in total war against the Axis at the time.
 
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Your comment was intended to evoke the same guilt trip that's warped our judgment since WW2. "You knew! You knew!" is an immaterial load of horseshit in the context that we were engaged in total war against the Axis at the time.

Nope, I simply pointed out that his statement wasn't completely correct.

The rest? All in your rather vivid imagination.

You really like playing this tribal warfare thing don't you?

Go play it with someone else, I'm not interested.
 

piasabird

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Israel use to have a policy that when they catch a terrorist, they would go to their house and blow it up in retaliation. They would let the people get out but they would still destroy the house. That is what they should do for rockets. What I would do is for every rocket they fire, I would destroy one Palestinian building near the border. Israel is just too nice to these people.

This whole strategy Israel uses will not work. They need to attack the source that is supplying the rockets. If it is Iran, then Bomb Iranian Civilians. First rule in war is attack the supply lines and the source of the rockets.
 

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This whole strategy Israel uses will not work. They need to attack the source that is supplying the rockets. If it is Iran, then Bomb Iranian Civilians. First rule in war is attack the supply lines and the source of the rockets.

Indeed, they should take off the kid gloves, turn Palestine in to rubble, bulldoze it, build some nice condos and work on the "greater Israel" they've always wanted. /s
 
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btw, an interesting historical artifact. This is supposedly the first article published in the United States that reported the Holocaust. It was published in Dec. of 1942 in The New Republic magazine.

Interestingly enough, the article following it was entitled "The GOP Prepares for the Kill". It seems to be about 'repealing' the New Deal. Those wacky GOPers, always trying to repeal stuff.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118800/first-american-report-holocaust
 

BUnit1701

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Seems like a disingenuous thread title. Unanimous consent in the senate simply means that no one present objected to the passing of the measure. It doesn't necessarily follow that every individual senators support it.

Welcome to the mental gymnastics called politics.

'I only didn't object, I certainly don't support it' Really? Well if you don't support it, maybe you should have objected?
 

BUnit1701

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The US supports Israel, but during WWII the US was fairly silent on the matter of Jews.
It wasn't until Japan pissed us off that we entered the war.
I find it hard to believe many US leaders and politicians did not know exactly what was going on during WWII with the jews trapped in Germany.
So its like we have this knee jerk reaction for aways supporting Israel 100%.
But somehow i see a disconnect when you get right down to it.
I don't know if the US really supports Israel that much, or more so aligns with those that support Israel, not to risk falling on the wrong side of politically correctness.

While it may have been common knowledge the Jew were being oppressed, no one knew the extent the Nazi's had gone to until Germany had been conquered.
 

rommelrommel

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Yes, single crappy poorly sourced articles are equivilant to 70 years of rigerous scholarship.

You know, you don't have to be a hyperbolic denialist to have legitimate objections to Israels conduct. The sensationalist bullshit is what sinks your credibility.
 

blankslate

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Netanyahu said:
Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIgRwPf7W6M

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkpoint-washington/2010/07/netanyahu_america_is_a_thing_y.html

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/tricky-bibi-1.302053
Forget the Bar-Ilan University speech, forget the virtual achievements in his last visit to the United States; this is the real Netanyahu. No more claims that the Palestinians are to blame for the failure of the Oslo Accords. Netanyahu exposed the naked truth to his hosts at Ofra: he destroyed the Oslo accords with his own hands and deeds, and he's even proud of it. After years in which we were told that the Palestinians are to blame, the truth has emerged from the horse's mouth.

And how did he do it? He recalled how he conditioned his signing of the 1997 Hebron agreement on American consent that there be no withdrawals from "specified military locations," and insisted he choose those same locations, such as the whole of the Jordan Valley, for example. "Why is that important? Because from that moment on I stopped the Oslo Accords," he boasts. The real Netanyahu also brags about his knowledge of America: "I know what America is. America is something that can be moved easily." For the White House's information.

So of course the members of the Senate all supported Israel in Gaza. To do otherwise in an election year isn't kosher.

Netanyahu isn't the only asshole in the Area but the assholes all share one trait.... they're all right wingers...


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