http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4441544.stm
The US won the fight to keep control over the internet.
The US won the fight to keep control over the internet.
US retains hold of the internet
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There are advantages, but don't you think at some point we should share this knowledge with other democracies ntdz?
I'm going to sleep, so don't expect a response for a while
I'm going to sleep, so don't expect a response for a while
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/16/us_wins_net_governance/
This sums up my opinion... Hooray for another decade of US dominance and everyone paying.
This sums up my opinion... Hooray for another decade of US dominance and everyone paying.
Originally posted by: Proletariat
There are advantages, but don't you think at some point we should share this knowledge with other democracies ntdz?
I'm going to sleep, so don't expect a response for a while
It's not a matter of sharing knowledge, it's a simple matter of maintaining DNS root servers, for chrissakes. Given that we're the only country on the planet with a government that, for all it's failings, is *based* in the idea of freedom of speech, I think it's best that the root servers stay with us until such time as the rest of the world catches on and abandons their dictatorship practices.
Jason
shira
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Good thing you're a true believer in how "free" America is. I tend to look at more objective evidence.Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Proletariat
There are advantages, but don't you think at some point we should share this knowledge with other democracies ntdz?
I'm going to sleep, so don't expect a response for a while
It's not a matter of sharing knowledge, it's a simple matter of maintaining DNS root servers, for chrissakes. Given that we're the only country on the planet with a government that, for all it's failings, is *based* in the idea of freedom of speech, I think it's best that the root servers stay with us until such time as the rest of the world catches on and abandons their dictatorship practices.
Jason
World press freedom and democracy rankings
Beneath this are the Press Freedom rankings for 150 countries with populations in excess of 1 million. The methodology used by the authors, Freedom House, is given in the right hand column [see link for the criteria].
Country Press Freedom Rank Democracy Rank
Finland 1 1
Sweden 1 4
Denmark 3 2
Norway 3 6
Belgium 5 13
Switzerland 5 5
Netherlands 5 7
New Zealand 8 3
Portugal 9 17
Ireland 10 14
Jamaica 10 41
Germany 12 11
United States 13 14
Canada 13 10
Estonia 13 20
Latvia 13 31
Australia 17 8
United Kingdom 17 9
Lithuania 17 39
Slovenia 20 21
Costa Rica 20 24
France 22 16
Japan 22 30
Poland 22 28
Austria 25 11
Hungary 25 23
Slovakia 25 25
Taiwan 25 37
Spain 29 19
Czech Republic 29 26
Mali 31 45
Chile 32 18
Trinidad and Tobago 32 42
South Africa 34 33
Ghana 34 44
Mauritius 36 28
Greece 36 34
Israel 36 38
Uruguay 39 22
Papua New Guinea 39 54
Korea, South 39 32
Namibia 39 42
Benin 43 47
Botswana 43 40
Italy 45 27
Bulgaria 45 35
Philippines 45 59
Mongolia 45 51
Bolivia 45 59
Croatia 50 48
Senegal 50 51
Dominican Republic 52 56
India 52 58
Peru 54 51
Brazil 54 48
Serbia & Montenegro 54 61
Burkina Faso 54 84
El Salvador 58 46
Argentina 58 62
Ecuador 58 64
Mexico 61 55
Thailand 61 50
Nicaragua 61 64
Lesotho 61 56
Panama 65 36
Uganda 65 91
Mozambique 67 89
Bosnia and Herzegovina 67 88
Romania 69 66
Turkey 70 62
Madagascar 71 67
Albania 72 71
Honduras 72 70
Macedonia 72 68
Tanzania 72 92
Dem. Rep. of the Congo 72 95
Nigeria 77 99
Niger 78 72
Malawi 79 94
Guinea-Bissau 80 75
Sri Lanka 81 68
Paraguay 81 73
Georgia 81 99
Indonesia 84 106
Kuwait 84 87
Guatemala 84 99
Sierra Leone 87 105
Ukraine 87 99
Lebanon 89 96
Kenya 90 74
Pakistan 90 112
Cambodia 92 110
Jordan 92 83
Morocco 94 97
Colombia 94 93
Central African Republic 94 76
Algeria 97 106
Armenia 97 104
Mauritania 99 77
Moldova 99 106
Zambia 99 110
Gabon 102 109
Bhutan 102 78
Singapore 102 79
Angola 102 117
Haiti 102 121
Afghanistan 107 113
Ethiopia 107 117
Russia 107 115
Cameroon 107 117
Bangladesh 107 132
Egypt 107 103
Nepal 113 114
Malaysia 113 90
Cote d'Ivoire 113 128
Iraq 116 121
Kyrgyzstan 117 121
Oman 118 85
United Arab Emirates 118 86
Gambia, The 118 116
Venezuela 118 124
Azerbaijan 118 128
Guinea 123 80
Chad 123 138
Liberia 123 132
Togo 123 80
Burundi 127 132
Tajikistan 127 136
Kazakhstan 129 124
Yemen 130 124
Iran 131 132
Tunisia 131 97
Saudi Arabia 131 117
Congo, Republic of the 134 141
China 135 128
Vietnam 135 138
Somalia 137 143
Laos 137 128
Syria 137 124
Rwanda 140 136
Uzbekistan 141 144
Belarus 142 141
Sudan 142 146
Zimbabwe 144 144
Eritrea 145 146
Libya 146 148
Turkmenistan 147 149
Myanmar 147 149
Cuba 147 140
Korea, North 150 82
Originally posted by: shira
Good thing you're a true believer in how "free" America is. I tend to look at more objective evidence.Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Proletariat
There are advantages, but don't you think at some point we should share this knowledge with other democracies ntdz?
I'm going to sleep, so don't expect a response for a while
It's not a matter of sharing knowledge, it's a simple matter of maintaining DNS root servers, for chrissakes. Given that we're the only country on the planet with a government that, for all it's failings, is *based* in the idea of freedom of speech, I think it's best that the root servers stay with us until such time as the rest of the world catches on and abandons their dictatorship practices.
Jason
World press freedom and democracy rankings
Beneath this are the Press Freedom rankings for 150 countries with populations in excess of 1 million. The methodology used by the authors, Freedom House, is given in the right hand column [see link for the criteria].
Country Press Freedom Rank Democracy Rank
Finland 1 1
Sweden 1 4
Denmark 3 2
Norway 3 6
Belgium 5 13
Switzerland 5 5
Netherlands 5 7
New Zealand 8 3
Portugal 9 17
Ireland 10 14
Jamaica 10 41
Germany 12 11
United States 13 14
Canada 13 10
Estonia 13 20
Latvia 13 31
Australia 17 8
United Kingdom 17 9
Lithuania 17 39
Slovenia 20 21
Costa Rica 20 24
France 22 16
Japan 22 30
Poland 22 28
Austria 25 11
Hungary 25 23
Slovakia 25 25
Taiwan 25 37
Spain 29 19
Czech Republic 29 26
Mali 31 45
Chile 32 18
Trinidad and Tobago 32 42
South Africa 34 33
Ghana 34 44
Mauritius 36 28
Greece 36 34
Israel 36 38
Uruguay 39 22
Papua New Guinea 39 54
Korea, South 39 32
Namibia 39 42
Benin 43 47
Botswana 43 40
Italy 45 27
Bulgaria 45 35
Philippines 45 59
Mongolia 45 51
Bolivia 45 59
Croatia 50 48
Senegal 50 51
Dominican Republic 52 56
India 52 58
Peru 54 51
Brazil 54 48
Serbia & Montenegro 54 61
Burkina Faso 54 84
El Salvador 58 46
Argentina 58 62
Ecuador 58 64
Mexico 61 55
Thailand 61 50
Nicaragua 61 64
Lesotho 61 56
Panama 65 36
Uganda 65 91
Mozambique 67 89
Bosnia and Herzegovina 67 88
Romania 69 66
Turkey 70 62
Madagascar 71 67
Albania 72 71
Honduras 72 70
Macedonia 72 68
Tanzania 72 92
Dem. Rep. of the Congo 72 95
Nigeria 77 99
Niger 78 72
Malawi 79 94
Guinea-Bissau 80 75
Sri Lanka 81 68
Paraguay 81 73
Georgia 81 99
Indonesia 84 106
Kuwait 84 87
Guatemala 84 99
Sierra Leone 87 105
Ukraine 87 99
Lebanon 89 96
Kenya 90 74
Pakistan 90 112
Cambodia 92 110
Jordan 92 83
Morocco 94 97
Colombia 94 93
Central African Republic 94 76
Algeria 97 106
Armenia 97 104
Mauritania 99 77
Moldova 99 106
Zambia 99 110
Gabon 102 109
Bhutan 102 78
Singapore 102 79
Angola 102 117
Haiti 102 121
Afghanistan 107 113
Ethiopia 107 117
Russia 107 115
Cameroon 107 117
Bangladesh 107 132
Egypt 107 103
Nepal 113 114
Malaysia 113 90
Cote d'Ivoire 113 128
Iraq 116 121
Kyrgyzstan 117 121
Oman 118 85
United Arab Emirates 118 86
Gambia, The 118 116
Venezuela 118 124
Azerbaijan 118 128
Guinea 123 80
Chad 123 138
Liberia 123 132
Togo 123 80
Burundi 127 132
Tajikistan 127 136
Kazakhstan 129 124
Yemen 130 124
Iran 131 132
Tunisia 131 97
Saudi Arabia 131 117
Congo, Republic of the 134 141
China 135 128
Vietnam 135 138
Somalia 137 143
Laos 137 128
Syria 137 124
Rwanda 140 136
Uzbekistan 141 144
Belarus 142 141
Sudan 142 146
Zimbabwe 144 144
Eritrea 145 146
Libya 146 148
Turkmenistan 147 149
Myanmar 147 149
Cuba 147 140
Korea, North 150 82
Your numbers would be meaningful if we were talking purely about Freedom of the Press. We're not. Try again.
Jason
It's good to see that a potential virtual genocide was averted. I'm glad that the US "won"
It's good that the colonialistic ambitions of others was squashed.
It's good that the colonialistic ambitions of others was squashed.
i've got no problem with the US retaining control.... though, the new international forum will be a good idea... something like a new TLD needs to be discussed globally since its not just america who's gonna see the effects of it. (comes to mind the discussion of the .XXX domain).
though i do belive, when (or if) american politics start controlling the internet, then it is time to move on. though i dislike the idea of any politics influencing the internet at all.
so basicly... dont really care who controls the internet, as long as the internet itself remains the free information highway it is now.
though i do belive, when (or if) american politics start controlling the internet, then it is time to move on. though i dislike the idea of any politics influencing the internet at all.
so basicly... dont really care who controls the internet, as long as the internet itself remains the free information highway it is now.
judasmachine
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what differance does it make, they are all going reduce it into a giant commercial spy utility anyway. there won't be any freedom left on the internet soon no matter who is in charge.
3chordcharlie
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No, it isn't.
It is right up there, but it is not the most free country by most objective rankings.
If you consider both economic and social freedom as factors, I believe it is. I can't think of a country that bests the US on both factors. There are plenty of countries with more social or economic freedom, but it is the balance that I enjoy as a citizen.
Freedom is not a numerically measurable variable. I wouldn't say the US are on top of such a list considering the fact that quite a considerable share of the population, gay people, are not given the same rights. In Spain and the Netherlands gay people have right to marry, obtain the legal status of family and inherit from the partner. That's quite something, considering we are talking about basic rights like marrying, inheriting from the partner, having the partner recognized as one's family. So I guess it really depends on who you are. I am not gay, so I feel pretty good and free in the US, but my perception would change quite a lot were I gay.
Also it quite strikes me the censorship many works of art receive in the US, as well as some bans to take pictures of public places after 9/11.
The censorship thing is not really something coming from laws. It's a cultural thing. The US are a puritan country. Still it's pretty amazing to see some movie coming to the theaters in the US being 20 minutes shorter of the original.
I think many people think "low income taxes" when we talk about freedom, but no matter how much everybody likes low taxation it is not a comprehensive criterion of freedom measurement.
Also it quite strikes me the censorship many works of art receive in the US, as well as some bans to take pictures of public places after 9/11.
The censorship thing is not really something coming from laws. It's a cultural thing. The US are a puritan country. Still it's pretty amazing to see some movie coming to the theaters in the US being 20 minutes shorter of the original.
I think many people think "low income taxes" when we talk about freedom, but no matter how much everybody likes low taxation it is not a comprehensive criterion of freedom measurement.
I wouldn't call that censorship. They're cutting material to achieve a particular rating that they want.
I think that bringing up films would be a bad example because in the US they are self-regulated many other countries where the government deals with ratings and do deal with censorship and outright banning of films.
Vic
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Aren't Sweden and Denmark the countries where parents aren't allowed to name their children certain names? Where the government has a list of acceptable names? And doesn't Denmark still have a state religion, complete with taxpayer-paid tithes? Oh yeah... that's freedom... nice list... :roll:
Originally posted by: Czar
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The US isn't a democracy, it's a Republic. And freedom of speech in all forms is what matters in reference to control of the internet DNS and the US IS the front runner in that category. I know of no other nation in the world with as broad protections on all forms of speech.
that has nothing to do with this ranking, dont sideline the issueOriginally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Czar
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Country Press Freedom Rank Democracy Rank
The US isn't a democracy, it's a Republic. And freedom of speech in all forms is what matters in reference to control of the internet DNS and the US IS the front runner in that category. I know of no other nation in the world with as broad protections on all forms of speech.
you can have democracies, republics, unions, dictatorships or any kind of government and it would get a democracy rank just like the next one
and if you dont know of any other countries with as much protection of speech you dont know much I'm afraid
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