Zorba
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Dems shouldn't go a long with that. Democrats shouldn't be shafting unions over obviously poor working conditions.
K1052
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Abusive RR attendance policy is at the heart of this and there are probably other executive branch levers that Biden could pull to get them to ease up. Realistically Congress is not going to allow a rail strike before Christmas and the rail unions know that.
brandonbull
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- May 3, 2005
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Crazy that the RR workers would strike so soon after Biden took care of this a few months ago. I thought it was taken care of already.
Drach
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How to tell us you go on months long benders without telling us.
JEDI
Lifer
- Sep 25, 2001
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Biden signs legislation to avert rail strike
The president defended the deal after an amendment to add seven days of paid sick leave for rail workers failed because of opposition from Republicans and Sen. Joe Manchin.
www.nbcnews.com
railroad workers get an immediate 14% raise and total 24% till 2024.
avg 8% a year??
whats the avg salary?
1. They haven’t had a raise since their previous contract expired 3 years ago.Biden signs legislation to avert rail strike
The president defended the deal after an amendment to add seven days of paid sick leave for rail workers failed because of opposition from Republicans and Sen. Joe Manchin.
railroad workers get an immediate 14% raise and total 24% till 2024.
avg 8% a year??
whats the avg salary?
2. Their biggest demand was to be able to plan their lives a bit and be able to actually be sick without fear of being fired.
3. Average salary for which union? there were like 12 unions involved in these negotiations.
Vic
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Not nearly as much as you might think for skilled people who work dangerous jobs with heavy equipment who are often required to be away from their families for weeks at a time.Biden signs legislation to avert rail strike
The president defended the deal after an amendment to add seven days of paid sick leave for rail workers failed because of opposition from Republicans and Sen. Joe Manchin.
railroad workers get an immediate 14% raise and total 24% till 2024.
avg 8% a year??
whats the avg salary?
dainthomas
Lifer
- Dec 7, 2004
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Biden signs legislation to avert rail strike
The president defended the deal after an amendment to add seven days of paid sick leave for rail workers failed because of opposition from Republicans and Sen. Joe Manchin.
railroad workers get an immediate 14% raise and total 24% till 2024.
avg 8% a year??
whats the avg salary?
If it's so great, why are they understaffed?
Thump553
Lifer
- Jun 2, 2000
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Sure sounds like the workers are getting screwed here by separating out the sick leave into a seperate bill and then letting it die. The Dems screwed one of their major constituencies in order to claim a paper victory.
K1052
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If you want to blame somebody for extra days not passing then blame the people who voted against it: Republicans.
Shutting down the freight rail system would be a titanic political and economic liability. There is a reason for a body of law which gives the government great power to prevent rail strikes. The unions knew that the government would not likely allow this to happen.
Brainonska511
Lifer
- Dec 10, 2005
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Also, many of the unions voted for the contract, despite knowing its shortcomings, and some unions only just barely failed to pass the contract. This isn't as clear cut of an issue of labor vs capital isn't as some online would have us believe.
8 of 12 unions ratified it. The SMART-TD union, representing ~23k workers, voted it down by <1%, and if you look at the sub-group breakdown, since that union is kind of amalgamation of a 5 unions, some groups voted in favor as well...
Brainonska511
Lifer
- Dec 10, 2005
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They do a nice job "both-sides"-ing their Twitter statement. Democrats passed a bill to give paid sick leave, it just failed the arbitrary 60-vote hurdle in the Senate thanks to Republicans + Joe Manchin.
They should have paid sick leave, but the optics of well-paid railroad workers striking right before Christmas and crippling freight rail would probably would not play as well as they think. Couple that with many of the unions in question approving the deal or just narrowly not approving it (with some sub-unions passing the deal) - it doesn't make it look like they are unwillingly getting the raw end of the stick.
We need only think back to the PATCO strike to see how a strike that may have been justified played out in public for themselves and the labor movement as a whole.
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
- Feb 4, 2009
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Here the thing it’s a deal and a deal was needed. While it’s not a perfect deal it is not a bad deal.
Remember Biden needed 60% to approve any measure for it to work in Congress. This is what can be done at that threshold.
Would have sucked for all of trains stopped hauling right now.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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Yeah it's total bullshit. The fact they can't call out the Republicans for literally being the only reason the sick leave didn't pass is obscene and misleading. I feel bad for the workers, but fuck those union leaders since they can't be honest.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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also the Dems are dumb for saying nice things about this deal like Biden's statement. All their statements should lead with the lack of GQP support for paid sick leave. ALL OF THEM.
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
- Feb 4, 2009
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Agreed, should be along the lines of we need 60 votes we can deliver 50 of them. All others said no sick leave. This is the best deal for right now.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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amazing how a news source frames this as 'Dems passing sick-leave denying' instead of saying 'after Republicans blocked sick-leave for railworkers'
ch33zw1z
Lifer
- Nov 4, 2004
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Indeed...I don't see this "win" as something to brag about.
Brainonska511
Lifer
- Dec 10, 2005
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Also how it continues to ignore how the unions voted on the contract. It acts like all of them voted it down and it was forced on them, when it really was 8/12 approved it, and of the largest unions, 1 failed to approve it by a one point margin. Furthermore, the structure of one of the large unions required the approval of all subunions to pass the contract, and if I recall, at least 3/5 voted yes.
A strike wasn't as clearcut a win or desire by the membership as some on the internet are framing it to be.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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I'm with the workers. Biden and the Dems needs to stand up for them even more, because no Republican will stand up for them at all.
KMFJD
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