US Oil Problem...

FettsBabe

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Do you realize that every time we fill our vehicles up with gas we are supporting the countries in the Middle East? It pisses me off to know that I am sending my hard earned money to countries that want us dead. The Anti-American crap has got to go or we should say "if you don't like us then you don't get our money or our support."

Do you realize the following oil companies import this many barrells of oil each year???

Shell - 205,742,000
Chevron/Texaco - 144,332,000
Exxon/Mobil - 130,082,000
Marathon - 117,740,000
BP Amoco - 62,231,000

Now lets do the math...660,127,000 barrells per year at $30 per barrell= $19,803,810,000 per year!!!!!!!!!!! :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|

Thats too much money to give to the people that want us dead.

The following oil companies DO NOT import middle eastern oil:

Citgo
Sunoco
Conoco
Sinclair
Phillips


Do something about it the next time you get gas...support other companies and not the Middle Eastern Nations by supplying them with oil. When they get hit in the wallet maybe they will think twice. Maybe not, but if not, at least I'm not giving them my money.
:D

For more information regarding the Middle Eastern Oil see the following sites:

Oil 1
Oil 2
Oil 3
 

hoihtah

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wow... do you work for citgo? or sunoco or something?

i thought all oil companies use oils from everywhere.?
i may be wrong.

and you listed bp amoco twice...
once as a company that imports.
once as a non importing company.

:confused:
 

trmiv

Lifer
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How could BP Amoco both import 62,231,000 barrells of Middle East oil, and not import Middle East oil at the same time?
 

Electric Amish

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Do they import all those barrels from the Middle east, or from other sources as well??

What countries in the Middle East want us dead? Afganistan, Iraq.....

Where does the oil in the Middle East come from? What countries??

amish
 

b0mbrman

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Bah...it's good though. They're stuck making consumer goods while we're making machines, getting educated, building investment goods and the like...50 years from now, they'll be pulling out oil and we'll be super-productive
 

PsychoAndy

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BP Amoco can import oit without it being from the middle east.......there are other oil rich regions beside there you know ie:

North/Brent Sea
Canada
Mexico
Russia
 

PsychoAndy

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<< How could BP Amoco both import 62,231,000 barrells of Middle East oil, and not import Middle East oil at the same time? >>



easy. see above post.
 

FettsBabe

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<< wow... do you work for citgo? or sunoco or something? >>


No, I'm a paralegal and like to read.

Sorry, BP does import, I changed the document around a bit and forgot to delete it from that space. Sorry :(

If you go to the sites I listed there is an abundance of information on the countries, etc. I just pulled out the most relevant information.
 

trmiv

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<<

<< How could BP Amoco both import 62,231,000 barrells of Middle East oil, and not import Middle East oil at the same time? >>



easy. see above post.
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No, her post implies that BP Amoco does not import Middle East oil. If they are included in the list which says they import 62,231,000 barrells of middle east oil a year, they cannot be inlcuded on the list of companies that according to the post "DO NOT" import middle east oil. It doesn't say those companies get oil from other sources besides the middle east, it says they "DO NOT" import middle east oil at all. The lists are mutually exlcusive.
 

Pepsei

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don't care...
i pump where there's a cheap source....

usually BP or Wawa in the east coast

and arco(sp?) in the west coast...
 

StormRider

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What we need is to develop some sort of super crystal to replace gasoline. Here's how it should work.

Cars of the future will have a little battery that powers a low powered laser. Upon starting the car, the laser is turned on and directed at the crystal. This crystal has a special property in that it resonates at the same frequency as the low powered laser. At resonance, the atoms of the crystal vibrates and vibrates until it explodes and releases massive energy. This release of initial energy is enough to continue the reaction, thereby powering the car. When the laser is turned off, that is enough to cause the reaction to stop -- because it needs to be vibrating at that special resonance frequency to keep going.

We replace the crystal every month or so. What do you guys think of my plan?
 

FettsBabe

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Imports/Exports

Slightly lower U.S. crude oil production in 2000, combined with slightly increased oil demand, led the United States to import (gross) an estimated 11.5 MMBD of oil (crude and products) during 2000, representing around 58% of total U.S. oil demand. Around 45% of this oil came from OPEC nations, with Persian Gulf sources accounting for about 22% of U.S. oil imports during the year. Overall, the top suppliers of oil to the United States during 2000 were Canada (1.81 MMBD), Saudi Arabia (1.57 MMBD), Venezuela (1.55 MMBD), and Mexico (1.37 MMBD).



U.S. Energy Sanctions Issues

The United States maintains energy sanctions against several countries, including Iran, Iraq, and Libya (an oil embargo against Serbia was lifted by President Clinton on October 12, 2000). Iraq remains under comprehensive sanctions imposed after its invasion of Kuwait in August 1990. Iran and Libya are affected by the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act (ILSA), passed unanimously by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Clinton in August 1996. ILSA imposes mandatory and discretionary sanctions on non-U.S. companies which invest more than $20 million annually (lowered in August 1997 from $40 million) in the Iranian oil and natural gas sectors. The passage of ILSA was not the first U.S. sanction against Iran. In early 1995, President Clinton signed two Executive Orders which prohibited U.S. companies and their foreign subsidiaries from conducting business with Iran. The Orders also banned any "contract for the financing of the development of petroleum resources located in Iran." On March 13, 2001, President Bush, citing threats posed by Iran to U.S. national security, extended Clinton's two Executive Orders on Iran for another 6 months. Meanwhile, ILSA is due to expire August 5, 2001, and Congress will need to decide whether or not to renew the sanctions.

As a result of the Executive Orders (but prior to the enactment of ILSA), U.S.-based Conoco was obligated to abrogate a $550-million contract to develop Iran's offshore Sirri A and E oil and natural gas fields. On August 19, 1997, President Clinton signed Executive Order 13059 reaffirming that virtually all trade and investment activities by U.S. citizens in Iran was prohibited. The threat of secondary U.S. sanctions has also deterred some multinationals from investing in Iran. In August 1996, for instance, Australia's BHP withdrew from a proposed $3-billion pipeline project to transport Iranian natural gas to Pakistan and India under the threat of U.S sanctions.

A consortium led by Total (France), Gazprom (Russia), and Petronas (Malaysia) to develop Iran's South Pars natural gas field was granted a waiver under Section 9(c) of ILSA by the United States in May 1998. At the time, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright noted that the United States had concluded that sanctions would not prevent this project from proceeding, and stated that the waiver was also granted because of the cooperation achieved between the United States, the EU, and Russia in accomplishing ILSA's primary objective of inhibiting Iran's ability to develop weapons of mass destruction and support of terrorism.

The United States modified its sanctions on April 28, 1999 to allow shipments of donated clothing, food and medicine for humanitarian reasons (trade in informational materials such as books and movies is also allowed). On the same day that the humanitarian exceptions were made, the U.S. denied Mobil's request to swap crude oil from Kazakhstan with Iran. On March 17, 2000, former Secretary of State Albright announced that the United States would ease sanctions on Iran, would seek to expand contacts between American and Iranian scholars, professionals, artists, athletes, and nongovernmental organizations, and would increase efforts with Iran aimed at eventually concluding a global settlement of outstanding legal claims between the countries.

Attempts by the United States to implement ILSA have run into opposition from a number of foreign governments. The European Union (EU) opposes the enforcement of ILSA sanctions on its members, and on November 22, 1996 passed resolution 2271 directing EU members to not comply with ILSA. On May 18, 1998, the EU and the U.S. reached an agreement on a package of measures to resolve the ILSA dispute at the EU/U.S. Summit in London, but the Summit deal is contingent upon acceptance by the U.S. Congress before full implementation may take place.

On April 5, 1999, following the Libyan handover of two suspects in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103 to stand trial before a Scottish Court in the Netherlands, the United States modified its Libya sanctions on April 28, 1999 to allow shipments of donated clothing, food and medicine for humanitarian reasons (trade in informational materials such as books and movies is also allowed). However, all other U.S. sanctions against Libya remain in force. On February 1, 2001, one suspect was convicted by the Scottish court, while another was acquitted. The U.S. and British governments both said that they still expected Libya to accept responsibility for the murders, which Libya has said it would not do
 

trmiv

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I don't believe we have any of those non middle east oil importing companies with stations in my area.
 

b0mbrman

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Look...the economies of most countries in the Middle East are tied to oil money. If we stop buying billions upon billions of dollars worth of oil every year, it will almost certainly lead to the death of millions of Middle Eastern babies :(

That's so racist :(
 

PsychoAndy

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you know, i'm doing some reading on some nuclear reactors.....

St Lucie, FL:
Operator: Florida Power & Light Co.
Owner: Florida Power & Light Co. (100.0%)
Reactor Supplier: Combustion Engineering, Inc.
Capacity: 839 net MWe
Reactor Type: Pressurized water reactor

Date of Operation: March 1976
License Expiration date: 03/01/2016
Electricity Produced in 2000: 7.51 billion kWh
2000 Average Capacity Factor: 101.96%

LaSalle County, IL:

Operator: Commonwealth Edison Company
Owner: Commonwealth Edison Company (100.0%)
Reactor Supplier: General Electric Company
Capacity: 1077 net MWe
Reactor Type: Boiling water reactor

Date of Operation: August 1982
License Expiration date: 05/17/2022
Electricity Produced in 2000: 9.75 billion kWh
2000 Average Capacity Factor: 103.01%

Three Mile Island, PA:

Operator: AmerGen Energy Co.
Owner: AmerGen Energy Co. (100.0%)
Reactor Supplier: Babcock and Wilcox
Capacity: 786 net MWe
Reactor Type: Pressurized water reactor

Date of Operation: April 1974
License Expiration date: 04/19/2014
Electricity Produced in 2000: 7.14 billion kWh
2000 Average Capacity Factor: 103.49%

is any of that safe?
 

Electric Amish

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<< is any of that safe? >>



Exactly why we need more reactors, so they all don't have to run at 100+% capacity.

amish
 

SagaLore

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<< What we need is to develop some sort of super crystal to replace gasoline. Here's how it should work.

Cars of the future will have a little battery that powers a low powered laser. Upon starting the car, the laser is turned on and directed at the crystal. This crystal has a special property in that it resonates at the same frequency as the low powered laser. At resonance, the atoms of the crystal vibrates and vibrates until it explodes and releases massive energy. This release of initial energy is enough to continue the reaction, thereby powering the car. When the laser is turned off, that is enough to cause the reaction to stop -- because it needs to be vibrating at that special resonance frequency to keep going.

We replace the crystal every month or so. What do you guys think of my plan?
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I don't know what we'd be doing with a car that just sits there, but makes for a great light show! :D

For energy to be conserved you'd have to first create the crystal. I think we'd be better of with hydrogen powered steam wankel rotary engine.
 

ggavinmoss

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<< What we need is to develop some sort of super crystal to replace gasoline. Here's how it should work.

Cars of the future will have a little battery that powers a low powered laser. Upon starting the car, the laser is turned on and directed at the crystal. This crystal has a special property in that it resonates at the same frequency as the low powered laser. At resonance, the atoms of the crystal vibrates and vibrates until it explodes and releases massive energy. This release of initial energy is enough to continue the reaction, thereby powering the car. When the laser is turned off, that is enough to cause the reaction to stop -- because it needs to be vibrating at that special resonance frequency to keep going.

We replace the crystal every month or so. What do you guys think of my plan?
>>




I think I saw this in an episode of Duck Tales. It was set in the future, when Doofus and Webby were married. But I swear they were using "unleaded" crystals as their car fuel. (Flying cars of course).

-geoff
 

SagaLore

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<< I get gas from Citgo :) they are the cheapest around :) >>



You'd better off putting rusty water into your tank. :Q

My wife and I have tried various Citgos with various cars, something isn't right with that stuff! putt putt putt
 

SagaLore

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<< you know, i'm doing some reading on some nuclear reactors.....

St Lucie, FL:
Operator: Florida Power & Light Co.
Owner: Florida Power & Light Co. (100.0%)
Reactor Supplier: Combustion Engineering, Inc.
Capacity: 839 net MWe
Reactor Type: Pressurized water reactor

Date of Operation: March 1976
License Expiration date: 03/01/2016
Electricity Produced in 2000: 7.51 billion kWh
2000 Average Capacity Factor: 101.96%

LaSalle County, IL:

Operator: Commonwealth Edison Company
Owner: Commonwealth Edison Company (100.0%)
Reactor Supplier: General Electric Company
Capacity: 1077 net MWe
Reactor Type: Boiling water reactor

Date of Operation: August 1982
License Expiration date: 05/17/2022
Electricity Produced in 2000: 9.75 billion kWh
2000 Average Capacity Factor: 103.01%

Three Mile Island, PA:

Operator: AmerGen Energy Co.
Owner: AmerGen Energy Co. (100.0%)
Reactor Supplier: Babcock and Wilcox
Capacity: 786 net MWe
Reactor Type: Pressurized water reactor

Date of Operation: April 1974
License Expiration date: 04/19/2014
Electricity Produced in 2000: 7.14 billion kWh
2000 Average Capacity Factor: 103.49%

is any of that safe?
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There is a new type of nuclear reactor technology that can't meltdown. It uses some type of spheres to encase the isotop and keep everything controlled. I believe they are building/built one in Africa? That's the way to go...
 



<< Look...the economies of most countries in the Middle East are tied to oil money. If we stop buying billions upon billions of dollars worth of oil every year, it will almost certainly lead to the death of millions of Middle Eastern babies

That's so racist
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Hey! You're bleeding on my shoes.

Let's worry about domestic problems first.
 

b0mbrman

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<<

<< Look...the economies of most countries in the Middle East are tied to oil money. If we stop buying billions upon billions of dollars worth of oil every year, it will almost certainly lead to the death of millions of Middle Eastern babies
That's so racist
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Hey! You're bleeding on my shoes.
Let's worry about domestic problems first.
>>


Sarcasm only...

<==-- Only cares a lot about USA...then cares about other countries at varying levels...