US official confirms Allawi shot six dead

conjur

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Remember this?

Now there's this:
http://smh.com.au/articles/200.../18/1105810916006.html
A former Jordanian government minister has told The New Yorker that an American official confirmed to him that the Iraqi interim Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, executed six suspected insurgents at a Baghdad police station last year.

The claim is in an extensive profile of Dr Allawi written for this week's issue of the magazine by an American journalist, Jon Lee Anderson, the author of The Fall of Baghdad and a regular Baghdad correspondent for The New Yorker.

Writing about his research in Jordan in December, Anderson says: "A well-known former government minister told me that an American official had confirmed that the killings took place, saying to him, 'What a mess we're in - we got rid of one son of a bitch only to get another one'."

The New Yorker also revealed that Anderson was present during an interview conducted by the Herald's chief correspondent, Paul McGeough, in late June, with a man who said he witnessed the executions by Dr Allawi.

Dr Allawi denied the allegations when they were published in the Herald last July.

Anderson writes: "The man ... described how Allawi had been taken to seven suspects, who were made to stand against a wall in a courtyard of the police station, their faces covered. After being told of their alleged crimes by a police official, Allawi had asked for a pistol, and then shot each prisoner in the head. [One of the men survived.] Afterward, the witness said, Allawi had declared to those present, 'This is how we must deal with the terrorists.' The witness said he approved of Allawi's act, adding that, in any case, the terrorists were better off dead, for they had been tortured for days."
Negroponte must feel rather welcome in Baghdad.
 
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I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.
True. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if Saddam received a fair amount of write-in votes or would even flat-out win the election if he were allowed to run.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.
True. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if Saddam received a fair amount of write-in votes or would even flat-out win the election if he were allowed to run.
The problem with Saddam is that he was brutal when uncalled for as well.

He'll get some votes in the Sunni areas. It won't be anything spectacular though.

Why don't you prognosticate on the Iraqi vote, conjur? With your voting prognostication track record, what do you have to lose? :p

 

conjur

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HA!


I predict 60% turnout among registered voters with Allawi winning out over Sistani. Many Sunnis withholding from voting.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
HA!


I predict 60% turnout among registered voters with Allawi winning out over Sistani. Many Sunnis withholding from voting.
You lose already. Al-Sistani is not a candidate.

 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.

Ah I see. That is why the US supports Allawi. They are doing the Iraqis a favor.
 

alchemize

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A former Jordanian government minister has told The New Yorker that an American official confirmed to him that the Iraqi interim Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, executed six suspected insurgents at a Baghdad police station last year.
This came up in a conversation with my cousin. He was at the barber earlier today, and the barber next to him was telling that guy he heard from a former egyptian minister had told the Globe that this story was based on hearsay...at least that's what he told me.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
HA!


I predict 60% turnout among registered voters with Allawi winning out over Sistani. Many Sunnis withholding from voting.
You lose already. Al-Sistani is not a candidate.
There ya go. ;)
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So where is the list of candidates?
I haven't been able to find one, yet. Found a few major candidates listed at BBC but that's about it.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So where is the list of candidates?

It's in Al Gore's lock box.

So you don't know either.

I had heard that at least some people would have to vote for anonymous candidates. They don't get to know who they are voting for?
 

dahunan

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So we install a puppet government who inturn lets the citizens vote on a shadow government :) .. scary times we live in..
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So where is the list of candidates?
It's in Al Gore's lock box.
So you don't know either.

I had heard that at least some people would have to vote for anonymous candidates. They don't get to know who they are voting for?
Hell, many of them don't even know where they're supposed to vote.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.

back in July
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.

Saddam anyone?
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.

Saddam anyone?

Saddam seems to have done a better job than we are doing too ... Those insurgents probably have a lot of repressed anger from Fighting Saddam and losing.
 

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I bet Allawi leaps tall minarets in a single bound too.

I'd like to see Iraqi opinion on this. iirc, when this story came out previously I rmember reading that his approval rating actually rose among Iraqis. It was said Iraqis tend to like a leader who can be decisively brutal when called for.

Saddam anyone?

Saddam seems to have done a better job than we are doing too ... Those insurgents probably have a lot of repressed anger from Fighting Saddam and losing.

Nah the Sunni's were never repressed the Kurds and Shia's were both uprisings ended brutally for each side but the Sunni's shared a great deal of power till now.

In 1988, the Hussein regime began a campaign of extermination against the Kurdish people living in Northern and Southern Iraq. This is known as the Anfal campaign. The attacks resulted in the death of at least 50,000 (some reports estimate as many as 100,000 people), many of them women and children.

In April 1991, after Saddam lost control of Kuwait in the Gulf War, he cracked down ruthlessly against uprisings in the Kurdish north and the Shia south. His forces committed wholesale massacres and other gross human rights violations against both groups similar to the violations mentioned before. Estimates of deaths during that time range from 40,000 to 100,000 for Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 for Shi'ites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...hts_in_Saddam%27s_Iraq
 

MisterCornell

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Allawi is a former henchman of Saddam Hussein. A brutal and sadistic killer.

One website said - only half in jest - "Why should we bother with this mini-Saddam, this Saddam Jr.? The real thing is sitting in a jail cell. He's tanned, he's rested. He knows how to maintain order in that country. Let's bring him back!"
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
HA!


I predict 60% turnout among registered voters with Allawi winning out over Sistani. Many Sunnis withholding from voting.
You lose already. Al-Sistani is not a candidate.

Sistani has a ticket he told his followers to support.

Allawi is a murderer.

Bush supports Allawi.

Bush is an accessory to murder.

 
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
HA!


I predict 60% turnout among registered voters with Allawi winning out over Sistani. Many Sunnis withholding from voting.
You lose already. Al-Sistani is not a candidate.

Sistani has a ticket he told his followers to support.

Allawi is a murderer.

Bush supports Allawi.

Bush is an accessory to murder.
Weren't you a Kerry supporter?

Kerry is a murderer. I guess that makes you an accessory to murder too, by your erroneous application of the definition.

How sad.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Gaard
I gather that 'murder' isn't a crime in New Iraq.

No, according to TLC, murder is only a crime when it's done in warfare.

Lying to a nation to justify and unprovoked invasion then installing a murdering despot to replace the previous U.S. installed murdering despot is OK. Just ask TLC.