US may detain terror suspects for years
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Do we really want it going there? I'm afraid they'll fumble it and those people will walk away. I'd rather see them in our prisons. I got a feeling they wouldn't have a real good time.
1) I doubt there's enough evidence to try them in our criminal justice system.
2) Do you REALLY want international militants mixing with the domestic prison population?
IIRC, these people are suspects, and have had no chance to prove their innocence...or even speak to anyone. Why do we need to hold them without trial? If they did something, they should be tried, and punished accordingly, or if found innocent, should be freed.
IMO, holding people for as long as we feel like, in a military prison, with no access or options to have their guilt or innocence proven in a court of law is flying in the face of everything this country stands for.
These people should be brought before a real justice system. Either our own or wheverer they came from.
If our government is going to hold people accountable to our US laws such as drug lords, terrorists, leaders of regimes we overthrow etc etc. then we must also give them all the same rights that every citizen has.Every detainee that has been held for one year with no hearings should be freed straight away. None of the Afghan detainees should be tried at this point the time has run out.
This war on terror is fast becoming less a fight of good vs. evil and more so one of us vs. them.
Gonad, this fight was never good vs. evil. It was characterized that way. Buck, are you aware that they rounded up children less than 15 years old as "suspects." Does the fact that they've release 87 people mean that they might have made mistakes? Remember, this move is brought to you by the people who completely missed predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union.
EDITED: BTW, they've already detained them for years. Why don't you correct the thread topic to "many additional years."
EDITED: BTW, they've already detained them for years. Why don't you correct the thread topic to "many additional years."
I have to disagree to an extent. This is as clear cut with good guys (freedom-loving us) vs. bad guys (fear-mongering terrorists) as it can get in this world. But the more we act like bad guys to win this war, the more that characterization becomes false.
Romans and Gonad, aren't you guys a little old for believing in heros, villians, and fools. Good and evil, huh? Romans, why is Iraq the only country in the world that we've ever invaded to straighten out an evil administration? Idi Amin in Uganda was much worse. Old enough to remember Reagan's "evil empire?" Bush labeled three countries as being in the axis of evil. Iran is iffy, but I flat out guarantee you that we will not be invading North Korea, which is supposed to have nuclear weapons and which most people think is much worse than Iraq, both in terms of potential dangerousness and in terms of exporting weapons. IMO good guys don't start fights with smaller guys. You guys haven't bought into the "link" between Sadam and Osama, have you? Both GW and Powell have said they never implied that there was a link.
Yep. The Soviets had about 20,000 megatons worth of nukes aimed at us too. Oh, by the way, let's not forget their borders extending hundreds of kilometers, designed to keep residents in rather than out, and outfitted with such comfortably "social" amenities as guard towers, land mines, mean-ass dogs and machineguns.
The point is, Burned, we never invaded them. Let's try something a little more to scale. I'm saying flat out that we will not invade North Korea. Why aren't you evil-fighters doing something about that?
Those Soviets sure were great people. Because at least they had the balls to send people off to prison for years without a trial.
Zephyr
Maybe I should have said 'This war on terror has fast become less a fight of good vs. evil and more so one of us vs. everyone else. And Bush sucks for making it that way.'
It's a fight of us vs the people that want to kill us.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. One man's good is another man's evil. While I think the US is generally good and the terrorists generally promote some evil things, it is incredibly arrogant to think that you, in your little tiny time and place in the world with your miniscule world view, know all and can pass judgement on your fellow human beings. Good vs. evil is a cute way to rationalize warfare, but the reality is we simply fight to protect ourselves.
Zephyr
Of course we never invaded the Soviets. In addition to "lessons learned" from Napoleon and Hitler, such action would almost certainly have obliterated the known world. The keywords during the height of the Cold War were "containment", "Air-Land Battle", "REFORGER", "detente", Geopolitik, "MAD" and "SALT".
Barring a catostrophic event, I doubt we'll invade NK either. Aside from a potential rerun of another Yalu river crossing ala 1950 Chinese-style, the expectations of Seoul or Tokyo warming to the idea with any measurable enthusiasm is remote at best.
I'm wondering if because of the fact that jjones popped in here, stated a single expletive and somewhat derogatory remark, and then refused to elaborate, if he fits the definition of a certain kind of internet poster and doesn't deserve to have any attention paid to him.
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