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US Marine will be investigated for shooting wounded/unarmed man in mosque
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As I'm not a soldier, so I'll trust his judgement and the judgement of the military court in determining whether he did the right thing or not.
But you know what's fvcking disturbing as hell? A huge number of you guys don't seem to want to hear anything bad about Iraq or our government or anything else. You'd rather have a Minister of Information spoonfeeding you exactly what you want to see and hear. Don't report the facts, all I want to see is Iraqis playing soccer! And don't give me this "liberal media" whine, the media isn't liberal here, they are being the media. The media is about attracting an audience, and you can attract people better with bad news than good news. After years of hugely successful yearly spring celebrations at my college that were virtually ignored by the media, you know what got weeks of reporting last spring? That's right, when the celebration was followed by a riot. Nobody cared about all the good things that came from it over the years, they cared about one relativly minor riot that didn't involve most of the students and happened AFTER the celebration. But they are linked forever by the media. That's life, that's how the media works, it's not because they are liberal or hate our soldiers. In fact, embedded reporters are often biased for the military because the reporters rely on soldiers for protection.
I'll be the first to admit that the media isn't perfect, but the rabid patriots who want the media in Iraq SHOT (wtf?) because they have the audacity to report things that happened are about as anti-American as you can get. A free society needs freedom of information. If all the information is controlled by the government, that's when you start getting things like the Nazis and Saddam's Iraq, because the government can do one thing and tell you something else. I mean hell, I certainly see no problem with the people who are running for office also controlling all the information we see :roll:. A free media is essential to democracy, and I'd much rather have a media that's biased in favor of bad news than no media at all. I'd like to hear how you guys think a free society can exist without independent media.
And think of it this way, the media looks for the worst news they can, right? Well since this is the "best" they can find, we have a pretty good defense of our general conduct in Iraq. Without the media, I'm 100% positive we'd hear all sorts of made up stories about our troops gassing civilians, robbing people and raping Iraqi women. I don't believe our troops would do those things, but some people, especially people in other countries, might and without the media, who's going to let people know what's going on? The government? Anyone who believes our troops are doing all those things certainly wouldn't believe the government.
But you know what's fvcking disturbing as hell? A huge number of you guys don't seem to want to hear anything bad about Iraq or our government or anything else. You'd rather have a Minister of Information spoonfeeding you exactly what you want to see and hear. Don't report the facts, all I want to see is Iraqis playing soccer! And don't give me this "liberal media" whine, the media isn't liberal here, they are being the media. The media is about attracting an audience, and you can attract people better with bad news than good news. After years of hugely successful yearly spring celebrations at my college that were virtually ignored by the media, you know what got weeks of reporting last spring? That's right, when the celebration was followed by a riot. Nobody cared about all the good things that came from it over the years, they cared about one relativly minor riot that didn't involve most of the students and happened AFTER the celebration. But they are linked forever by the media. That's life, that's how the media works, it's not because they are liberal or hate our soldiers. In fact, embedded reporters are often biased for the military because the reporters rely on soldiers for protection.
I'll be the first to admit that the media isn't perfect, but the rabid patriots who want the media in Iraq SHOT (wtf?) because they have the audacity to report things that happened are about as anti-American as you can get. A free society needs freedom of information. If all the information is controlled by the government, that's when you start getting things like the Nazis and Saddam's Iraq, because the government can do one thing and tell you something else. I mean hell, I certainly see no problem with the people who are running for office also controlling all the information we see :roll:. A free media is essential to democracy, and I'd much rather have a media that's biased in favor of bad news than no media at all. I'd like to hear how you guys think a free society can exist without independent media.
And think of it this way, the media looks for the worst news they can, right? Well since this is the "best" they can find, we have a pretty good defense of our general conduct in Iraq. Without the media, I'm 100% positive we'd hear all sorts of made up stories about our troops gassing civilians, robbing people and raping Iraqi women. I don't believe our troops would do those things, but some people, especially people in other countries, might and without the media, who's going to let people know what's going on? The government? Anyone who believes our troops are doing all those things certainly wouldn't believe the government.
KarenMarie
Elite Member
That is one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Nazi were trying to take over an entire continent or two, and eliminate an entire race of people. And even they worse uniforms and fought under a military. The 'insurgents' are pretending to be citizens of iraq, hiding in schools, hospitals and churches... have no ethics in wartime behaviour and want to kill everyone who is not an extremist.
The difference between the US troops and the Nazis...
We are not setting out to kill innocent people. We are not trying to rid the planet of a certain race of people... we are not trying to own their country...
I am amazed you could draw a line trying to connect the US military with the Nazis.
🙂
Preyhunter
Golden Member
Insurgents is suck.
i don't have a problem with it. too many of those fvckers are playing dead and then blowing themselves up or shooting at you. the marine in question was shot in the face the previous day. i don't blame him at all. ultimately, if i have to choose between my life and some other guy i don't know who was trying to kill me, i'm gonna choose me.
damn straight...
bunch of commy pinko hippies on AT...
make love not war!
flowers not bullets...!
piss on the troops they are murderers..
freaking morons 3/4 of you morons dont even have the balls or the patriotism to serve your country.
where the hell do you people get off second guessing the military...
10 year vet here too and damn right I woulda put a round in his head and been on my way.
call EOD and let them sweep the dead for explosives and traps..
JImmyK
Golden Member
What goes around comes around, in the next 100 200 300 years we are going to get visited back upon us what we have dished out for the past 200+ years. Its not us who is going to pay for our indiscretions now; its going to be our kids grand kids and great grand kids.
I wish people wouldnt make it a "patriotism" or "supporting our troops" issue, I think most people here blame our leaders not our troops.
I wish people wouldnt make it a "patriotism" or "supporting our troops" issue, I think most people here blame our leaders not our troops.
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