US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

BBond

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When we said they used napalm in Fallujah, they denied it. It turns out they not only lie to their citizens, they lie to their allies as well.

I'm beginning to believe that Bush wouldn't tell the truth even if it was to his benefit. These people are pathological liars.

Now let me ask you this. Is there anyone here who believes the claim that they only used this stuff against military targets? In Fallujah???

:roll:

Do you wonder why Iraqis hate us?

US lied to Britain over use of napalm in Iraq war

By Colin Brown, Deputy Political Editor

17 June 2005

American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.

Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election.

Despite persistent rumours of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm, Adam Ingram, the Defence minister, assured Labour MPs in January that US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed MK77, in Iraq.

But Mr Ingram admitted to the Labour MP Harry Cohen in a private letter obtained by The Independent that he had inadvertently misled Parliament because he had been misinformed by the US. "The US confirmed to my officials that they had not used MK77s in Iraq at any time and this was the basis of my response to you," he told Mr Cohen. "I regret to say that I have since discovered that this is not the case and must now correct the position."

Mr Ingram said 30 MK77 firebombs were used by the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in the invasion of Iraq between 31 March and 2 April 2003. They were used against military targets "away from civilian targets", he said. This avoids breaching the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW), which permits their use only against military targets.

Britain, which has no stockpiles of the weapons, ratified the convention, but the US did not.

The confirmation that US officials misled British ministers led to new questions last night about the value of the latest assurances by the US. Mr Cohen said there were rumours that the firebombs were used in the US assault on the insurgent stronghold in Fallujah last year, claims denied by the US. He is tabling more questions seeking assurances that the weapons were not used against civilians.

Mr Ingram did not explain why the US officials had misled him, but the US and British governments were accused of a cover-up. The Iraq Analysis Group, which campaigned against the war, said the US authorities only admitted the use of the weapons after the evidence from reporters had become irrefutable.

Mike Lewis, a spokesman for the group, said: "The US has used internationally reviled weapons that the UK refuses to use, and has then apparently lied to UK officials, showing how little weight the UK carries in influencing American policy."

He added: "Evidence that Mr Ingram had given false information to Parliament was publicly available months ago. He has waited until after the election to admit to it - a clear sign of the Government's embarrassment that they are doing nothing to restrain their own coalition partner in Iraq."

The US State Department website admitted in the run-up to the election that US forces had used MK77s in Iraq. Protests were made by MPs, but it was only this week that Mr Ingram confirmed the reports were true.

Mike Moore, the Liberal Democrat defence spokes-man, said: "It is very serious that this type of weapon was used in Iraq, but this shows the US has not been completely open with the UK. We are supposed to have a special relationship.

"It has also taken two months for the minister to clear this up. This is welcome candour, but it will raise fresh questions about how open the Government wished to be... before the election."

The MK77 bombs, an evolution of the napalm used in Vietnam and Korea, carry kerosene-based jet fuel and polystyrene so that, like napalm, the gel sticks to structures and to its victims. The bombs lack stabilising fins, making them far from precise.
 

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They renamed them so they technically didn't lie. They are no longer napalm, they are Mark 77 firebombs.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: BBond
When we said they used napalm in Fallujah, they denied it. It turns out they not only lie to their citizens, they lie to their allies as well.

There are way too many pronouns in that. Who are "we" and who are "they?"
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
They renamed them so they technically didn't lie. They are no longer napalm, they are Mark 77 firebombs.

They've reinvented fire.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: BBond
When we said they used napalm in Fallujah, they denied it. It turns out they not only lie to their citizens, they lie to their allies as well.

There are way too many pronouns in that. Who are "we" and who are "they?"

Why don't you take a lifetime or two attempting to figure that out?
 

irwincur

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What an immense waste of time.

I can see this devolving into some sort of anti-us, anti-Bush, or anti-war/military free for all.

Starting... NOW.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: irwincur
What an immense waste of time.

I can see this devolving into some sort of anti-us, anti-Bush, or anti-war/military free for all.

Starting... NOW.

Rarely has there been anyone who can say so little so many times in so many threads.

Highlighting Bush's crimes isn't anti-Bush. It's pro-truth. If the truth is against Bush how can you support him?
 

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Yay, it has begun - right on schedule.


Sorry, BBond - but you clearly have the worthless thread record. Hell, you cannot even be bothered to ever respond to a thread, you just post off topic crap all over the place.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Yay, it has begun - right on schedule.


Sorry, BBond - but you clearly have the worthless thread record. Hell, you cannot even be bothered to ever respond to a thread, you just post off topic crap all over the place.

Let me know when your opinion counts for anything. ;)

There were those at P&N who insisted the U.S. didn't use napalm or napalm-like weapons in Fallujah or Iraq. It seems someone in the Bush administration is telling even more lies. But what else should we expect?

And it seems that there are those who can't recognize a lie even after absolute proof has been offered. Like NO WMD. NO TERRORIST TIES. And the U.S. using napalm in Iraq.

Ask the Brits. They'll explain it to you.

Some great way to treat allies. Blair is a completely useless lap dog. Bush doesn't respect Blair enough to tell him the truth.


 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: irwincur
Yay, it has begun - right on schedule.


Sorry, BBond - but you clearly have the worthless thread record. Hell, you cannot even be bothered to ever respond to a thread, you just post off topic crap all over the place.

Let me know when your opinion counts for anything. ;)

There were those at P&N who insisted the U.S. didn't use napalm or napalm-like weapons in Fallujah or Iraq. It seems someone in the Bush administration is telling even more lies. But what else should we expect?

And it seems that there are those who can't recognize a lie even after absolute proof has been offered. Like NO WMD. NO TERRORIST TIES. And the U.S. using napalm in Iraq.

Ask the Brits. They'll explain it to you.

Some great way to treat allies. Blair is a completely useless lap dog. Bush doesn't respect Blair enough to tell him the truth.

omg we used MK77 bombs in a war!

And on enemy troops formations!

I also heard we used bullets and real live artilery shells!
 
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'Bush lied about using Napalm on Iraq. They denied using Napalm, the liars. What a bunch of pathological liars. Those lying liars can't stop lying because they lie and all the liars can do is lie, lie, lie constantly.'

They didn't use Napalm, the used Mark77 firebombs.

'Don't try to confuse the issue of the lying lairs by lying yourself and using technicalities. Even though it was not Napalm, it's still Napalm, liar.'

/watches them squirm, wiggle, and wipe the spittle from their chins

:roll:


 
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You've obviously never had training in Napalm. I suggest that you go to your local university and take some Napalm classes.
 
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You've obviously never had training in Napalm. I suggest that you go to your local university and take some Napalm classes.
I have had training in English and know that Napalm that is not Napaln is NOT Napalm.

Think about it real hard. It'll come to you.

 
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You've obviously never had training in Napalm. I suggest that you go to your local university and take some Napalm classes.
I have had training in English and know that Napalm that is not Napaln is NOT Napalm.

Think about it real hard. It'll come to you.

It wasn't directed at you.
 

BBond

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Did any of you retards even bother to read the link?

Not you Rabidmongoose. You're beyond retarded. You don't have to read. Just post the same juvenile drivel in every thread.

It beats admitting you're wrong. Right?
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: BBond
When we said they used napalm in Fallujah, they denied it. It turns out they not only lie to their citizens, they lie to their allies as well.

There are way too many pronouns in that. Who are "we" and who are "they?"

Why don't you take a lifetime or two attempting to figure that out?

Does that mean you are not going to answer?
 
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You've obviously never had training in Napalm. I suggest that you go to your local university and take some Napalm classes.
I have had training in English and know that Napalm that is not Napaln is NOT Napalm.

Think about it real hard. It'll come to you.

It wasn't directed at you.
Sorry about that. I though it was directed at my comment since it was directly below my response.

 
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Originally posted by: BBond
Did any of you retards even bother to read the link?

Not you Rabidmongoose. You're beyond retarded. You don't have to read. Just post the same juvenile drivel in every thread.

It beats admitting you're wrong. Right?
Or maybe you should do some actual fact checking?

The guy lied in January, claiming the Pentagon said they used no such devices. That's funny, because the Pentagon confirmed in 2003, publicly, that they had used the MK77 bombs against military targets in Iraq, which is perfectly legal. What the Pentagon denied was using Napalm, because they didn't use Napalm. The last canister of Napalm in US inventory was destroyed in March, 2001. They didn't have any more in stock.

So this isn't a lie from the US. It's some UK politician trying to cover his own ass.

So get your facts straight and then get over it.
 

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Originally posted by: irwincur
What an immense waste of time.

I can see this devolving into some sort of anti-us, anti-Bush, or anti-war/military free for all.

Starting... NOW.


Yeah,thats what we said back in 1998 when Clenis and Monica were on TV 24/7,the forums will filled with mindless banter over two adults. It was a 24/7 anti-Clinton free for all and it didn't stop for YEARS. Ok then but not OK now?!?
 
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Originally posted by: BBond
Did any of you retards even bother to read the link?

Not you Rabidmongoose. You're beyond retarded. You don't have to read. Just post the same juvenile drivel in every thread.

It beats admitting you're wrong. Right?

BBond I think you need to take some 'juvenile drivel' courses at your local university. :laugh:

The extremists can never take their own medicine.
 
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Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
Originally posted by: irwincur
What an immense waste of time.

I can see this devolving into some sort of anti-us, anti-Bush, or anti-war/military free for all.

Starting... NOW.


Yeah,thats what we said back in 1998 when Clenis and Monica were on TV 24/7,the forums will filled with mindless banter over two adults. It was a 24/7 anti-Clinton free for all and it didn't stop for YEARS. Ok then but not OK now?!?
You seemed to answer your own question. It was mindless then and it's mindless now. Does that make it OK?

Coincidentally, I defended Clinton back in those days, because it WAS the mindless bashing him, just like it's the mindless are bashing Bush now. The only difference is that I actually voted for Clinton. I just can't stand mindlessness no matter which direction it flows from, and these days it flows primarily from the left.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
Originally posted by: irwincur
What an immense waste of time.

I can see this devolving into some sort of anti-us, anti-Bush, or anti-war/military free for all.

Starting... NOW.


Yeah,thats what we said back in 1998 when Clenis and Monica were on TV 24/7,the forums will filled with mindless banter over two adults. It was a 24/7 anti-Clinton free for all and it didn't stop for YEARS. Ok then but not OK now?!?

:confused: Who is 'we' and what forums are you talking about in 1998?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: BBond
Did any of you retards even bother to read the link?

Not you Rabidmongoose. You're beyond retarded. You don't have to read. Just post the same juvenile drivel in every thread.

It beats admitting you're wrong. Right?

BBond I think you need to take some 'juvenile drivel' courses at your local university. :laugh:

The extremists can never take their own medicine.

You know, you imbecile, you've been stalking me with this bullsh!t since when? LAST NOVEMBER! When you couldn't admit you and the rest of the idiots in the Fallujah thread refused to admit what was clearly being reported and what has clearly been verified. That the U.S. forces destroyed seventy percent of that city in their effort to "LIBERATE" it.

Now you continue your juvenile drivel in thread after thread for SEVEN MONTHS?!!!

There should be some rule regarding people who add NOTHING to the debate other than the same tired, stupid, juvenile, useless garbage day after day after day.

Why you aren't on vacation is one of the great mysteries of the universe.
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
There should be some rule regarding people who add NOTHING to the debate other than the same tired, stupid, juvenile, useless garbage day after day after day.

Why you aren't on vacation is one of the great mysteries of the universe.

I agree - then people like you won't be able to fill up this forum with hate-spew and conspiracy BS. But hey, keep it up - the american public just loves to see moonbats parading around...

<- can't wait for '06 :D

CsG