US killed Uday, Qusay to cover up past dealings

[BarneyFife]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-7-2003_pg4_2

* Troops could have captured Saddam?s sons alive, says Syrian official

BEIRUT: A Syrian official said the US could have captured Saddam Hussein?s sons alive and hinted that killing the pair in a US military raid in Iraq may have been to cover up past American political dealings with the defunct regime. Uday and Qusay Hussein were reportedly killed on July 22 in a gun battle in northern Iraq by a US force hunting down leaders of the former regime.

Syria has been a vocal critic of the US war in Iraq. Relations between Washington and Damascus have been strained in recent months over American accusations that Syria supported the ousted Iraqi regime and sheltered some members during and after the war ? charges that Syria denied.

?Of course Saddam Hussein and his children bear the responsibility of turning this country (Iraq) into this rubble,? Syrian Foreign Ministry official Buthaina Shaaban said last night. But the spokeswoman, speaking from Damascus added: ?it was very possible of the US to capture Uday and Qusay instead of killing them. But maybe ? and this is very possible ? that there are files that they (Americans) don?t want to be uncovered.? ?AP

 

[ClueLis]

I find that a bit hard to believe.

 

[tm37]

Troops asked them to surrender then people in the house start shooting at troops.

After a while troops BLOW UP house and kill thoose inside.

seems fishy to me too.

 

[Tripleshot]

The US killed those jerks because when told to surender, they refused and fired their weapons,wounding 4 american troops. The barage of fire from the US right after that still had not killed those jerks, and a call to surender again was answered with automatic weapon fire. That is the straw that broke the camels back. They chose to die. The troops abliged them. War is hell.


Nuff said.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

I think a story from the Pakistani Daily Times quoting a Syrian official's opinion on an event inside Iraq is like Fox News quoting Karl Rove's opinion on the status of the Democratic Party. It is most likely very biased.

But it is interesting to note that Udai and Qusai were the only 2 people on the "most wanted list" that were captured dead rather than alive so far (something like 19 of the 55 are left uncaptured?). I think its impossible to ever know just why they weren't captured alive. There was no live footage of it, and all the witnesses to it were extremely biased in one way or the other.

 

[dahunan]

I am glad they are dead...

I am disgusted that we sent their bodies back too. We should have lit the things on fire and tossed them out of an airlpane over Tikrit.

Play the role of Allah for a moment:

Do you want those disgusting pieces of sh!t to be buried in your name and have your supposed blessing? NO way.. if there is such a thing as the devil then I am sending them straight to hell if I was Allah.. and QUCIKLY too.

 

[jjones]

I think I'll choose to believe the Syrians on this one. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So I guess this is where all the "Bush haters" are supposed to chime in with cries of outrage.

Sorry, but I don't buy the story.

 

[Tab]

OMG Its a conspirency! Ahh!

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Tabb
OMG Its a conspirency! Ahh!

where's the paranoid frenchie?

 

[IGBT]

Didn't they ring the doorbell a bunch of times?? Hollering out side on bull horns?? Mabe they were to wacked out on coke and viagra to understand why the doorbell was ringing....???

 

[Moonbeam]

Their killing was in my opinion extremely bad judgment. They knew who they were. They would have been invaluable as witnesses. Their trial and execution by Iraqis would have done the people a world of good. George Bush was in desperate need of good news. Lots adds up to likelihood they were ordered killed.

 

[Burke55]

These two particular towel heads deserved to die. They were both at best only nominally deserving of even being referred to as human beings. I wish I could have been there to empty a clip into the bodies just so I could say I did.. We are doing a fair job of keeping Allah supplied with fresh meat for his martyr pool. Uhrah. I only wish we could kill 100,000 radical scumbag fecal matter looking towel heads for every single American KIA. UHRAH....

remember 9/11.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Burke55
These two particular towel heads deserved to die. They were both at best only nominally deserving of even being referred to as human beings. I wish I could have been there to empty a clip into the bodies just so I could say I did.. We are doing a fair job of keeping Allah supplied with fresh meat for his martyr pool. Uhrah. I only wish we could kill 100,000 radical scumbag fecal matter looking towel heads for every single American KIA. UHRAH....

remember 9/11.

Why not join the military and you can be Rambo? Conquer a country by yourself.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their killing was in my opinion extremely bad judgment. They knew who they were. They would have been invaluable as witnesses. Their trial and execution by Iraqis would have done the people a world of good. George Bush was in desperate need of good news. Lots adds up to likelihood they were ordered killed.

Take your tinfoil "I hate Bush hat off" and read what happened.

We all know how you like to spread these conspriacy stories that you heard somewhere. You have just as much to base this conspriacy on as the ones you have spread in the past, exactly nothing except your hate.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their killing was in my opinion extremely bad judgment. They knew who they were. They would have been invaluable as witnesses. Their trial and execution by Iraqis would have done the people a world of good. George Bush was in desperate need of good news. Lots adds up to likelihood they were ordered killed.

Take your tinfoil "I hate Bush hat off" and read what happened.

We all know how you like to spread these conspriacy stories that you heard somewhere. You have just as much to base this conspriacy on as the ones you have spread in the past, exactly nothing except your hate.

Actually I was just being pro military. I don't think they would have bungled this without orders form the Bush people, nor do I think they would have made such a high level killing without orders. Unfortunatley your inside knowledge is as good as mine so you're just blowing smoke out your tinfoil ass. It's not like we're going to be told. Any answers would be as subject to change as why we went to war.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their killing was in my opinion extremely bad judgment. They knew who they were. They would have been invaluable as witnesses. Their trial and execution by Iraqis would have done the people a world of good. George Bush was in desperate need of good news. Lots adds up to likelihood they were ordered killed.

Take your tinfoil "I hate Bush hat off" and read what happened.

We all know how you like to spread these conspriacy stories that you heard somewhere. You have just as much to base this conspriacy on as the ones you have spread in the past, exactly nothing except your hate.

Actually I was just being pro military. I don't think they would have bungled this without orders form the Bush people, nor do I think they would have made such a high level killing without orders. Unfortunatley your inside knowledge is as good as mine so you're just blowing smoke out your tinfoil ass. It's not like we're going to be told. Any answers would be as subject to change as why we went to war.

Now you say you don't know what really happend but that sure didn't stop you from saying that it adds up to they were ordered killed. It's strange how all of your speculation ignores the reports that are out there and leads to the conclusion that you want and makes the US look the worst.

Or perhaps it isn't so strange.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Burke55
These two particular towel heads deserved to die. They were both at best only nominally deserving of even being referred to as human beings. I wish I could have been there to empty a clip into the bodies just so I could say I did.. We are doing a fair job of keeping Allah supplied with fresh meat for his martyr pool. Uhrah. I only wish we could kill 100,000 radical scumbag fecal matter looking towel heads for every single American KIA. UHRAH....

remember 9/11.

Wow, when Bush says "liberate Iraqis" do you think he means "kill the towel heads"? You add interesting insight into the motives of the administration.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their killing was in my opinion extremely bad judgment. They knew who they were. They would have been invaluable as witnesses. Their trial and execution by Iraqis would have done the people a world of good. George Bush was in desperate need of good news. Lots adds up to likelihood they were ordered killed.

Take your tinfoil "I hate Bush hat off" and read what happened.

We all know how you like to spread these conspriacy stories that you heard somewhere. You have just as much to base this conspriacy on as the ones you have spread in the past, exactly nothing except your hate.

Actually I was just being pro military. I don't think they would have bungled this without orders form the Bush people, nor do I think they would have made such a high level killing without orders. Unfortunatley your inside knowledge is as good as mine so you're just blowing smoke out your tinfoil ass. It's not like we're going to be told. Any answers would be as subject to change as why we went to war.

No, no, no, I didn't say I didn't know what happened. I said I know as much about what happened as you. What I did was suggest that knowing you had the Saddam boys thoroughly trapped and knowing how important information they could have would be, should imply that consultation on how to proceed in the face of resistance went up the chain. What I theorized based on the nature of a command structure where the military takes its orders from above was that the decision to blow the place to bits came from higher up. It's a simple application of logic and inference. You choose to see it negatively because you can't think. You are like a mule that turns a mill stone. Round and round in your single rut you go.

Now you say you don't know what really happened but that sure didn't stop you from saying that it adds up to they were ordered killed. It's strange how all of your speculation ignores the reports that are out there and leads to the conclusion that you want and makes the US look the worst.

Or perhaps it isn't so strange.

 

[LunarRay]

As I've said in other threads the killing of the two sons could and should have been avoided. We could have used some form of non lethal submission technique. We would have enabled the world to fully invest in the human rights trials and the intel coup of Iraq. For them to have been killed with little effort to stave off the gun battle I wonder why. I don't think it was to cover up secret dealings with Iraq. Most folks already know about the US and other "Western" and "Eastern" nations supplying the Iraqi government preceeding the Iranian hostage crisis time. In as much as I've no idea why they ought to have killed them when waiting them out would have kept the US soldiers from being injured and would have perhaps shown the Iraqi in the street that even now the US seeks to end bloodshed I defer to you folks who love blood and guts to opine... won't change anything... just lets the Pattonites vent...

 

[Tripleshot]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
As I've said in other threads the killing of the two sons could and should have been avoided. We could have used some form of non lethal submission technique. We would have enabled the world to fully invest in the human rights trials and the intel coup of Iraq. For them to have been killed with little effort to stave off the gun battle I wonder why. I don't think it was to cover up secret dealings with Iraq. Most folks already know about the US and other "Western" and "Eastern" nations supplying the Iraqi government preceeding the Iranian hostage crisis time. In as much as I've no idea why they ought to have killed them when waiting them out would have kept the US soldiers from being injured and would have perhaps shown the Iraqi in the street that even now the US seeks to end bloodshed I defer to you folks who love blood and guts to opine... won't change anything... just lets the Pattonites vent...

It was my understanding at the time this went on that the troops did not know if the pig-latin brothers had a secret tunnel to escape from. Capture would have been preferable, but to me it is completely understandable to fire back when automatic weaponfire is coming at you from inside that building. Why is this so difficult for you armchair critics of military tactics to comprehend? This is a done deal, the bastards are buried in their home town and the stooly is paid off with 30 million US dollars.

lets move on to getting that Ratbastard Saddam now.

 

[LunarRay]

Tripleshot said:
it was my understanding at the time this went on that the troops did not know if the pig-latin brothers had a secret tunnel to escape from. Capture would have been preferable, but to me it is completely understandable to fire back when automatic weaponfire is coming at you from inside that building. Why is this so difficult for you armchair critics of military tactics to comprehend? This is a done deal, the bastards are buried in their home town and the stooly is paid off with 30 million US dollars.

lets move on to getting that Ratbastard Saddam now.
****************************************************
I am looking at the bigger picture which is what I am opining on.. All tactics are controlled by objectives... this is the way us Higher Level Thinkers see it.. What is the Objective and are the tactics employed consistent with the objectives... now then... back to the arm chair.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Their killing was in my opinion extremely bad judgment. They knew who they were. They would have been invaluable as witnesses. Their trial and execution by Iraqis would have done the people a world of good. George Bush was in desperate need of good news. Lots adds up to likelihood they were ordered killed.

Take your tinfoil "I hate Bush hat off" and read what happened.

We all know how you like to spread these conspriacy stories that you heard somewhere. You have just as much to base this conspriacy on as the ones you have spread in the past, exactly nothing except your hate.

Actually I was just being pro military. I don't think they would have bungled this without orders form the Bush people, nor do I think they would have made such a high level killing without orders. Unfortunatley your inside knowledge is as good as mine so you're just blowing smoke out your tinfoil ass. It's not like we're going to be told. Any answers would be as subject to change as why we went to war.

No, no, no, I didn't say I didn't know what happened. I said I know as much about what happened as you. What I did was suggest that knowing you had the Saddam boys thoroughly trapped and knowing how important information they could have would be, should imply that consultation on how to proceed in the face of resistance went up the chain. What I theorized based on the nature of a command structure where the military takes its orders from above was that the decision to blow the place to bits came from higher up. It's a simple application of logic and inference. You choose to see it negatively because you can't think. You are like a mule that turns a mill stone. Round and round in your single rut you go.

Now you say you don't know what really happened but that sure didn't stop you from saying that it adds up to they were ordered killed. It's strange how all of your speculation ignores the reports that are out there and leads to the conclusion that you want and makes the US look the worst.

Or perhaps it isn't so strange.

Wow, and everyone thinks moonbeam has a reputation? What about you?

It's a simple application of logic and inference. You choose to see it negatively because you can't think. You are like a mule that turns a mill stone. Round and round in your single rut you go.

I agree with Moonbeam, they should have been captured. However, its hard to capture someone that has a gun and barricated in a buiding

 

[LunarRay]

We had no trouble with General Norriega down in Panama way... Guess we wanted to capture him... but, who knows the mind of the decision maker...

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
The US killed those jerks because when told to surender, they refused and fired their weapons,wounding 4 american troops. The barage of fire from the US right after that still had not killed those jerks, and a call to surender again was answered with automatic weapon fire. That is the straw that broke the camels back. They chose to die. The troops abliged them. War is hell.


Nuff said.

Regardless of how what I think about the topic at hand, I find it interesting that people can say what you've said, (what happened), with such certainity, when the only people who really know how it went down were the people who shot Qusay and Uday. This isn't something directed just at you, but everyone here who thinks we can ever really know what happens in similar circumstances.