US Judge overturns N. Dakota’s fetal heartbeat abortion ban.

[nehalem256]

A human finger isn't a person, but eating a human finger is cannibalism. Neither is your heart, your arms, your legs, etc.

A human finger came from a person.

A fetus finger does not come from a person.

Fetus licking good :sneaky:

 

[alzan]

Any supreme court that allows a person to be harmed through no fault of their own is a bad decision.

The mother through her own conduct became pregnant. The pregnancy was by her own choosing. She decided to have sex, but does not want to face up to the consequences of her actions.

The child is innocent in this matter.

Justice has a duty to protect the innocent.

That's true but apparently you still haven't quite gotten it; a fetus is not a child or a person.

Actually both the man and the woman had unprotected sex which resulted in the pregnancy. Did the man not know how to wrap his pecker? Did the woman not know how to use a cervical cap?

because calling it a fetus is not an appeal to emotion? You are trying to make the baby seem like a growth you can just kill.

Fetus is the proper biological and medical term.

 

[jackstar7]

Remember nearly 1 in 5 pregnancies ends in... wait for it... miscarriage.

And how do we know these women didn't encourage these? How do we know they didn't bring on these tragedies?

Where is the justice!

 

[dawheat]

Lets test your theory. Try walking into a hospital and shooting a brain dead person through the heart...

Let us know how that works out for you :sneaky:

The more accurate comparison would be the closest family member deciding on a medical procedure to end the life of the brain dead person.

No one is going to convince anyone else in an abortion thread, but who doesn't like an opportunity to bang your heads in futility.

 

[dawheat]

Remember nearly 1 in 5 pregnancies ends in... wait for it... miscarriage.

And how do we know these women didn't encourage these? How do we know they didn't bring on these tragedies?

Where is the justice!

Hmm good point. Clearly every miscarriage case should go through a homicide investigation to make sure that there were no intentional steps (murder) or negligence (manslaughter).

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hmm good point. Clearly every miscarriage case should go through a homicide investigation to make sure that there were no intentional steps (murder) or negligence (manslaughter).

Not as outlandish as you might think.

"Georgia tried, and thankfully failed, to pass a law that would have had all miscarriages investigated as possible homicides. Alabama did pass a chemical endangerment law that is being used to prosecute (mostly poor and minority) pregnant women suspected of taking drugs. The upshot of all this attempted legislation is that terminating a pregnancy is still lawful, but hundreds of women who miscarry or have stillborn babies can be charged with murder and sentenced as murderers."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/25/miscarriage-murder-roevwade-personhood

and on a wider scale:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/15/criminalisation-pregnancy-women-study

 

[jackstar7]

Not as outlandish as you might think.

"Georgia tried, and thankfully failed, to pass a law that would have had all miscarriages investigated as possible homicides. Alabama did pass a chemical endangerment law that is being used to prosecute (mostly poor and minority) pregnant women suspected of taking drugs. The upshot of all this attempted legislation is that terminating a pregnancy is still lawful, but hundreds of women who miscarry or have stillborn babies can be charged with murder and sentenced as murderers."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/25/miscarriage-murder-roevwade-personhood

and on a wider scale:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/15/criminalisation-pregnancy-women-study

At which point the government then has to take over responsibility for the potential of the unborn and guarantee their gestation to fruition and life and if the child is STILL miscarried, then they are at fault and the women would be due restitution for their months spent in government baby-farms.

Or they get the fuck out of this issue entirely and leave it to women and their doctors.

 

[Victorian Gray]

At which point the government then has to take over responsibility for the potential of the unborn and guarantee their gestation to fruition and life and if the child is STILL miscarried, then they are at fault and the women would be due restitution for their months spent in government baby-farms.

Or they get the fuck out of this issue entirely and leave it to women and their doctors.

I hope you take the time to read both articles. What the 2nd article describes is even more disturbing.

This is why I like the situation here in Canada. Since 1988 there have been no laws regulating abortion. It's simply a medical decision/procedure between a woman and her doctor.

Seems to work just fine.

 

[ivwshane]

It's utterly pointless arguing with Texashiker about this; he believes that a human fetus becomes a "child" when it has a heartbeat and detectable brainwave patterns and there is literally no argument you or any expert can make that will change his opinion on the matter. And it's not inherently wrong to argue the perspective that all human life is precious and should be protected. I'd argue that it's wrong to say that your own perspective about an issue is the only possible valid perspective and should be codified into law, but when you're coming from the standpoint that abortion is murdering an innocent child, you can't really say "well, it's the mother's decision" can you? So, whatever, Texashiker (and some other people) are anti-abortion, you'll NEVER change their minds, but they don't have the power or the numbers to change the law, so que sera sera. Move on and stop wasting your time arguing the same tired bullshit over and over.

While I agree with most of what you say, I completely disagree with your conclusion. The right has been directly and indirectly affecting women's ability to have abortions (or even access to women's health care), just look at the latest from Texas. They didn't ban abortion, they just made it virtually impossible for all but a select few women's health centers to even exist without a ton of money in remodel costs and added totally pointless things like requiring admitting privileges at a local hospital.

People, who are incapable of putting themselves in other peoples shoes, like TH, are getting power and changing the rules to ensure their personal beliefs are shoved down the throats of others and they have and will do it by any means necessary.

So as much as I'd like to move on and ignore disgusting pieces of shit like TH, I can't, because the moment I do him and his kind will pass some short sighted crap that just might affect me personally.

 

[shadow9d9]

Texashiker...comparing a clump of cells with no brain matter with fully grown human slaves. Dumb beyond compare.

 

[nehalem256]

People, who are incapable of putting themselves in other peoples shoes, like TH, are getting power and changing the rules to ensure their personal beliefs are shoved down the throats of others and they have and will do it by any means necessary.

So as much as I'd like to move on and ignore disgusting pieces of shit like TH, I can't, because the moment I do him and his kind will pass some short sighted crap that just might affect me personally.

You mean like when liberals lead a lynch hunt of the Mozilla CEO?

Or when liberals want to force Christians to bake cakes for gay weddings, or photograph gay weddings, or provide flowers for gay weddings?

Or is that okay because it is YOUR personal beliefs that are getting shoved down others throats?

 

[Matt1970]

Conservatards gonna 'tard.

Good old Texashiker. Your racism and your religion, by hook or by crook.

Is your brain capable of a different thought?

 

[Matt1970]

Remember nearly 1 in 5 pregnancies ends in... wait for it... miscarriage.

And how do we know these women didn't encourage these? How do we know they didn't bring on these tragedies?

Where is the justice!

Horrible logic. 5 in 5 lives end in death so we should make murder ok?

 

[nehalem256]

Horrible logic. 5 in 5 lives end in death so we should make murder ok?

You pretty much summed up liberal logic on abortion.

Don't forget the. If abortion is illegal, women might dying while illegally obtaining them.

By that logic we should eliminate all crimes, so the world is safer for criminals D:

 

[JockoJohnson]

People like you need to start using the correct terminology and quit appealing to emotion.

Lol. That's rich. Just about every liberal policy is pushed through based off of appealing to emotion.

"Oh, think of the children." "You must not care about poor people."

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Texashiker]

That's true but apparently you still haven't quite gotten it; a fetus is not a child or a person.

Does it have a heartbeat?

Then yes, it is considered alive.

Did the man not know how to wrap his pecker? Did the woman not know how to use a cervical cap?

The man will be held responsible by the state. Either pay child support or go to jail.

The woman however is not held to the same standard of responsibility.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Then punching a woman in the stomach causing her body to reject a lump a fleshy material should be assault and not murder, right?

Just want to be sure we're all being consistent.

I look at it as the Woman that took the stomach punch wanted a baby and thus it is a baby that came out, the Woman who does not want a baby then its a mass of stuff.
Remember its her body that is supporting the baby and I feel we should not impose our wants on someone else's body. Otherwise we can easily run into what do we do when a pregnant woman who doesn't want a baby:
Drinks alcohol
Works in a dangerous occupation
Takes up kick boxing
uses meth
smokes heavily
doesn't eat
eats the wrong foods
has too much caffeine
The list is endless

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Or when liberals want to force Christians to bake cakes for gay weddings, or photograph gay weddings, or provide flowers for gay weddings?

Nobody was forcing them to bake anything, its contract law when you agree to do something you need to do it you cannot change your mind last minute make these couples frantically search for a cake that I'm sure cost them more money because of the short notice.

 

[himkhan]

What we need is for the states to start ignoring the federal judges.

If judges are going to allow children to be murdered, they are not protecting the civil rights of the most innocent.




I am pretty sure you would have been saying the same thing about blacks.

I am pretty sure it is time they retire your account permanently.

 

[Texashiker]

I am pretty sure it is time they retire your account permanently.

Let me guess, you consider yourself a liberal?

 

[alzan]

Does it have a heartbeat?

Then yes, it is considered alive.

Viability is the standard, both medically and legally. Sorry you have trouble grasping that fact.


The man will be held responsible by the state. Either pay child support or go to jail.

The woman however is not held to the same standard of responsibility.

You're putting the cart before the horse; the responsibility starts when the man and woman decide to have sex. Men and women need to protect themselves before sex if they want to prevent pregnancy.

 

[Atreus21]

Oh cool, yet another mind numbing abortion thread with TH and #256 trying to out stupid each other. Where's Atheus1?

I'm right here.

 

[PingviN]

A human finger came from a person.

A fetus finger does not come from a person.

Fetus licking good :sneaky:

A fetus comes from a person. A fetus is no more a person (or a human) than your liver or intestines are.

 

[nehalem256]

I look at it as the Woman that took the stomach punch wanted a baby and thus it is a baby that came out, the Woman who does not want a baby then its a mass of stuff.

Ah, the truth comes out.

A fetus being a baby or not has nothing to do with whether it is "viable" or not. But whether the woman(or 14 year old girl) says it is or not.

 

[nehalem256]

A fetus comes from a person. A fetus is no more a person (or a human) than your liver or intestines are.

I think you have things backwards