US getting back into Iraq fight

[MongGrel]

They are saying ISIS is very different in some ways from Al Qaeda, that they are actually governing those areas they have concerqued and they want to govern and not just kill people who don't believe in their religion. I see ISIS as a much more dangerous threat in many ways than just the usual Al Qaeda terrorists we have been dealing with. Here we have allowed them to grow in force and get very organized.

I for one don't want to get into another damn war in a foreign country but we may have to do more than what we are doing now since things are becoming more rampant in these areas.

It's a radical branch of Al Qaeda from everything I've read.

Think of Tea Baggers related to the GOP.

Oops, did I say that.

 

[squarecut1]

ISIS is just a seasonal phenomena. It will pass

 

[kage69]

If you don't think this is the beginning of a war you're ridiculously uninformed.

Backtracking so soon? I'm not the one making absurd comparisons, so please quit projecting.

You don't want to take a swing at likening this to the 2003 Invasion then I guess. You're learning. Told you it wasn't hard.

 

[schmuckley]

You know what? He could have hit them all when they were in convoy on the way there..but nooooooo..

Still.

I can finally say Obama has done something good!

Good on him for finally acting.

 

[MongGrel]

ISIS is just a seasonal phenomena. It will pass

...

 

[schmuckley]

We did not arm ISIS.

I'm not so sure about that.
It's probably what Bhenghazi was about.

 

[MongGrel]

...

 

[SandEagle]

ISIS is just a seasonal phenomena. It will pass

i was just thinking this the other day. all these years nobody ever heard of ISIS. but lo and behold they show up at the most opportune moment. while the focus is on ISIS muslims and christians getting tricked into a holy war that only benefits you-know-who, israel is sending palestine back to the stone age. sham.

 

[MongGrel]

Ever hear of Persia?

 

[norseamd]

BIG MISTAKE! Obama, why? WHY? WHY?

Say could you keep your ignorant and naive opinions out of this discussion? If you have something important to say then read up on what is going on and what exactly we can and are doing instead of painting everything with a broad brush without even looking at what you are drenching with ignorance. I for one want to prevent the slaughter and loss of diverse minorities and historical archeological sites and artifacts.

 

[norseamd]

I'm not so sure about that. It's probably what Bhenghazi was about.

First off for everyone there you can find information about this shit on the internet. Yes they were using Libya to arm the Free Syrian Army but that does not mean that this shit all goes back to the Benghazi consulate and CIA attacks or the ISIS.

 

[kage69]

You know what? He could have hit them all when they were in convoy on the way there..but nooooooo..

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0

Was this what you were looking for?

 

[trenchfoot]

Interesting developments.

If memory serves, when attacking NVA troops were being bombed and bombarded by US aircraft and artillery in the Vietnam War, their response to that was to get as close to US troops as possible to make it more difficult for US forces to hit them without causing a friendly fire situation.

I'm wondering if ISIS will do the same. If so, the peshmerga should best be prepared for a move like that or the bombing will end up doing more harm than good.

Seems to me if we're going to bomb ISIS for effect we should do it with a really big hammer rather than pecking at them with ice picks.

 

[iGas]

It could be that Obama have a soft spot for Iraqi Christians and Yazidis, but IMHO oil may have something to do with it.

 

[norseamd]

ISIS is just a seasonal phenomena. It will pass

Good thing you are not leading the response to this world problem.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

i was just thinking this the other day. all these years nobody ever heard of ISIS. but lo and behold they show up at the most opportune moment. while the focus is on ISIS muslims and christians getting tricked into a holy war that only benefits you-know-who, israel is sending palestine back to the stone age. sham.

Nobody heard of Nazis who seasonally popped up to get Muslims and Christians involved to benefit the Jews to divert from the really earth shattering event, the Arab Revolt in Palestine.

That is scarcely a worse mischaracterization than what you apparently put forward as a serious comment. There is no "ISIS muslims and christians getting tricked into a holy war". The Christians relevant to this situation aren't being tricked and they aren't looking to fight, they're being executed. Not only would Isis exterminate them, they would very much love to do the same to the Jews, no doubt to your great delight. Unfortunately the Palestinians haven't bowed to the new caliphate, so they too would be in the same boat as the Christians and a lot worse off than now, but I don't know if you would be bothered by that since I doubt their welfare was ever much of a concern to begin with. But all that's OK with AT because all this does is kill Christians (yay!), Muslims (sort of yay), and various and sundry religious types. That's true but not because of any other reason than ISIS is so far regionally (not seasonally) contained. Everyone here would be praying for the Caliph or beheaded if ISIS had it's way. Cliff notes- no the evil Jewish cabal isn't behind this.

 

[Oric]

Yea, I wonder how happy Turkey would be with America arming the Kurds. It would be nice way to introduce a civil war in Turkey. Can we just quit sticking our hands into the fucking tar baby? I am very surprised and extremely disappointed that Obama would support getting back in.

Turkey is Iraqi Kurds biggest economic partner, a Turkish -Kurdish confederation is quite possible

 

[nf4m]

what a clusterfuck. it's fun being right.

 

[woolfe9998]

Interesting developments.

If memory serves, when attacking NVA troops were being bombed and bombarded by US aircraft and artillery in the Vietnam War, their response to that was to get as close to US troops as possible to make it more difficult for US forces to hit them without causing a friendly fire situation.

I'm wondering if ISIS will do the same. If so, the peshmerga should best be prepared for a move like that or the bombing will end up doing more harm than good.

Seems to me if we're going to bomb ISIS for effect we should do it with a really big hammer rather than pecking at them with ice picks.

Bombing is a lot more accurate now than it was then.

 

[Phynaz]

Backtracking so soon? I'm not the one making absurd comparisons, so please quit projecting.

You don't want to take a swing at likening this to the 2003 Invasion then I guess. You're learning. Told you it wasn't hard.

So the size of the opening salvo determines if it's a war or not? You've never studied history.

 

[Phynaz]

Say could you keep your ignorant and naive opinions out of this discussion? If you have something important to say then read up on what is going on and what exactly we can and are doing instead of painting everything with a broad brush without even looking at what you are drenching with ignorance. I for one want to prevent the slaughter and loss of diverse minorities and historical archeological sites and artifacts.

Are you disabled? I can't see somebody that would write this as having enough mental facilities to be able to hold onto a job.

 

[SandEagle]

Are you disabled? I can't see somebody that would write this as having enough mental facilities to be able to hold onto a job.

you're pretty good at personal attacks i see. shill tactic when you cant even allow someone to voice their opinion.

 

[kage69]

So the size of the opening salvo determines if it's a war or not? You've never studied history.

I withdraw my previous comment about you learning. Instead of articulating why you believe what you do, you're trying to burn me over your assumptions. Your disregard for the glaring differences between the two events (cause, execution, scale, on and on and on) really says a lot more about your difficulties regarding history than anything else. Kinda makes your reference to education rather ironic.

As it happens though, I am something of a historian, one who lived in the Middle East for five years as well. I don't consider myself a Phd or anything, but military history in particular is my thing, which is why I don't make statements like the one you opened with. If you want to know what I know, you'll have to ask me, or at least listen to me speaking to others. Pulling assumptions out of your ass isn't considered effective when trying to support an assertion, just fyi.

But then you didn't come here to talk history and current events, you came in here to spew a tired and weak talking point flavored jab at your dreaded liberals, based on little but false equivalency and speculation. Really smacks of butthurt, a chronic condition it seems. Your kind have been wrong about so much for so long, seeing someone like Obama do the right thing, then receive praise and agreement for it, makes you guys see red and cues the frothy indignation. Lather, rinse, repeat.


Nice talking to you.

 

[Phynaz]

I withdraw my previous comment about you learning. Instead of articulating why you believe what you do, you're trying to burn me over your assumptions. Your disregard for the glaring differences between the two events (cause, execution, scale, on and on and on) really says a lot more about your difficulties regarding history than anything else. Kinda makes your reference to education rather ironic.

As it happens though, I am something of a historian, one who lived in the Middle East for five years as well. I don't consider myself a Phd or anything, but military history in particular is my thing, which is why I don't make statements like the one you opened with. If you want to know what I know, you'll have to ask me, or at least listen to me speaking to others. Pulling assumptions out of your ass isn't considered effective when trying to support an assertion, just fyi.

But then you didn't come here to talk history and current events, you came in here to spew a tired and weak talking point flavored jab at your dreaded liberals, based on little but false equivalency and speculation. Really smacks of butthurt, a chronic condition it seems. Your kind have been wrong about so much for so long, seeing someone like Obama do the right thing, then receive praise and agreement for it, makes you guys see red and cues the frothy indignation. Lather, rinse, repeat.


Nice talking to you.

Lol, how two faced. Your first sentence to me was to call me a Bush voter. Feel free to go through my post history as show where I ever said I voted for Bush.

What dumbfuck.

 

[kage69]

Lol, how two faced. Your first sentence to me was to call me a Bush voter. Feel free to go through my post history as show where I ever said I voted for Bush.

What dumbfuck.

Not at all, dumbfucks just make shit up and can't support it. In this case the term seemed apt as in my personal experience the only people that make comments like yours regarding foreign policy just so happen to be Bush voting apologists, with issue literacy nearing that of the man himself.

Cry some more. Then come back when you figure out to express an opinion without sounding like a talk radio fueled ideologue. You could have spent less effort by now just supporting your initial post with some elaboration, but then as I said, you're not here for that.

Still nice talking to you though.