US fabricated evidence?

[Jani]

If this happened in Yugoslavia why should Iraq evidence differ?

http://www.unknownnews.net/fis020603.html

US fabricated evidence in Yugoslavia, says former official
Any US evidence against Iraq should be viewed with skepticism

by Frank in Stockholm, Unknown News correspondent
February 6, 2003

The US "fabricated evidence" against former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic during clashes between Serbia and Bosnia in the mid-1990s, according to a prominent and experienced international peacekeeping official who served there.

Retired Swedish Brigadier General Bo Pellnas, who was head of UN Military Observers (UNMOs) in Croatia, now says that the US should not be trusted. Pellnas says that he learned to distrust US-provided evidence during peacekeeping service in the former Yugoslavia.

Pellnas's misgivings are described in an article from the Swedish daily newspaper Aftonbladet. Here is an English-language translation of this article:

In an interview with Sweden's leading news-wire TT, retired Brigadier Bo Pellnas claims that the US "faked evidence to suit their own interests."

"If the US were to present evidence of Iraq?s weapons of mass destruction, the countries of the Western world would have no way to substantiate these reports due to the technical superiority of the US."

These are the words of retired Brigadier Bo Pellnas, who says he witnessed the US "fabricating fact to suit their own needs." Pellnas says he witnessed this first-hand when he led an international force which safeguarded the borders between Serbia and Bosnia in the mid-1990s, where he gained a very good insight and understanding of US operations. "The technical superiority of the US gives their politicians the option of bringing forth fake evidence, in this case in front of the United Nations Security Council."

Pellnas served in Yugoslavia during a time when US efforts, led by then Secretary of State Madeline Albright, presented evidence to the UN Security Council that Milosevic's Belgrade government ran unmonitored arms shipments. Pellnas claims that Albright's staff presented manipulated satellite photos to document false allegations, leading the Security Council to act in accordance with the US hard line against Milosevic.

"There might be a possibility that Albright thought the pictures to be true," says Pellnas, "but several incidents pointed towards the fact that the US lied." The US stood firm by their claims, refusing to show supporting evidence to Pellnas and other members of the peacekeeping crew.

"If the US were to come forth with evidence against Iraq which were "difficult to confirm," the permanent members of the Council will be put in a difficult situation, since they lack the sufficient tools to research and verify such claims."

Pellnas said he hopes that nations of the European Union make it their responsibility to build their own intelligence agency which has the capability to act as a counterbalance to the US. "It would be great indeed if the EU could act as a balance to the world's only true superpower, which acts alone these days."

In addition to his UN duties, Pellnas was also in charge of an international monitoring mission to Yugoslavia in 1994 sponsored by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), and worked with the International Conference on the Former Yugoslavia (ICFY), a group established in 1991 to find a peaceful solution to the region's conflicts.

 

[Phuz]

Everyone plays this game, every country does this. When you need justifications for your cause you do what you have to do.

 

[cnwk64]

that's nothing new.
every country is making/faking news to its own interest.
have you ever watch any middle-east news?
I was watch some N. Korea news from japanese news.. I almost LMAO

 

[Tom]

Any other sources besides Frank and Bo ?

 

[Ryan]

Great source.

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Great source.

Who really cares about the source? Who even cares about this specific article?

So the only way you'll believe in such a thing is if a 'credible source' says so?

 

[Ryan]

Yea, like I'm going to believe a website that specializes in news that nobody has heard of.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Great source.

Who really cares about the source? Who even cares about this specific article?

So the only way you'll believe in such a thing is if a 'credible source' says so?

Heh heh...agreed

We should believe anything anyone says as long as it backs up our side of the argument

 

[SuperTool]

What was done to Serbia was the greatest blunder of the Clinton administration. To side with militant rebels against a sovereign state.

 

[wnied]

US fabricated evidence in Yugoslavia, says former official
Any US evidence against Iraq should be viewed with skepticism

by Frank in Stockholm, Unknown News correspondent
February 6, 2003

The source seems suspect...

...just a little.
~wnied~

 

[Moonbeam]

Radio said a poll put 58% on the number of Americans who think Bush would lie about Iraq.

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Radio said a poll put 58% on the number of Americans who think Bush would lie about Iraq.

Psssh, well everyone knows that 75% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

 

[Jani]

Originally posted by: wnied
US fabricated evidence in Yugoslavia, says former official
Any US evidence against Iraq should be viewed with skepticism

by Frank in Stockholm, Unknown News correspondent
February 6, 2003

The source seems suspect...

...just a little.
~wnied~

Original source is Aftonbladet but I think most of you don't understand single word of Swedish so I posted this translated version. But what do you think about
CNN's article where detailed British intelligence information is 12 years old

"fine paper ... which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities" as Powell would say

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Yea, like I'm going to believe a website that specializes in news that nobody has heard of.

Well, it was printed in Aftonbladet here in Sweden, one of our largest newspapers... so...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: rbloedow Yea, like I'm going to believe a website that specializes in news that nobody has heard of.

Well, it was printed in Aftonbladet here in Sweden, one of our largest newspapers... so...

Nothing can be true unless it's printed in the US papers.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Phuz
Everyone plays this game, every country does this. When you need justifications for your cause you do what you have to do.

Its certainly a game that the US is playing a lot nowadays. Anything to try to rationalize sticking one's nose into the business of other countries. I still wonder who died and made the US world dictator?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Yea, like I'm going to believe a website that specializes in news that nobody has heard of.

Well, it was printed in Aftonbladet here in Sweden, one of our largest newspapers... so...

...so..... so what?

The whole question right now on Iraq is based on whether Saddam is or is not complying with UN resolution 1441.

If the inspectors have had to beg for interviews with the scientists and have had the U2 flights denied than Iraq is not cooperating.

Serious consequences are the result of non-compliance.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: rbloedow Yea, like I'm going to believe a website that specializes in news that nobody has heard of.

Well, it was printed in Aftonbladet here in Sweden, one of our largest newspapers... so...

Nothing can be true unless it's printed in the US papers.

I assume you mean the RIGHT US paper...

 

[Ornery]

Gaud, first you want evidence, then when it's presented, it's suspect! :disgust:

We should have crushed him in '91. Or was that whole Kuwait thing just another fabrication? I guess this never happened either: Gulf War fires

 

[Red Dawn]

Isn't Pelinas the General who defended the Northern Swedish city of Ittybittytitti against a siege by the muderous gift wrapping hordes of Santa's Elves during the Lukefish War?

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
What was done to Serbia was the greatest blunder of the Clinton administration. To side with militant rebels against a sovereign state.

I agree. Afterwards even Clinton admitted thet stretched the truth about the scope of killing and used the tired old reason that was the signature of his presidency, 'everybody does it.'

The area is still much of a war zone and the killing has not stopped. It was a mistake to go there. Oh, btw, we went in WITHOUT a UN mandate!

 

[911paramedic]

I have three words for you...

"Baby Milk Factory"

 

[Jani]

Pellnas's was real general, no political puppy like Powell, Blair and head of the states in Eastern Europe countries.

 

[Ornery]

Pellnas's was real general...

Was he ever wounded in action, or anything like that?

 

[Kilgor]

Pellnas's was real general, no political puppy like Powell, Blair and head of the states in Eastern Europe countries.

Powell served two tours in Vietnam. During the second, he survived a helicopter crash landing, going back into the smoking wreckage to pull out his commanding general and two others. For that and other valor in Vietnam, he received two Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star, a Soldier?s Medal, and the Legion of Merit.