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US Drone Program - Classified Info Leaked

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/intercepts-drone-papers-shed-new-light-targeted-killing

Today, The Intercept’s coverage gives us a clue. Among a bevy of new revelations and a cache of classified documents published this morning, we learned that the president’s authorization to target an individual with lethal force, based on a “continuing, imminent threat” to the United States, has in the past lasted for 60 days. (Perhaps that’s what then–Attorney General Eric Holder meant when he said, in a March 2012 speech given at Northwestern University School of Law, that the government views “imminence” as “incorporat[ing] considerations of the relevant window of opportunity to act” against suspected terrorists.)

The example cited by The Intercept took place prior to the president’s imposition of the PPG, so the new report primarily sheds light on how the government was interpreting its obligations before issuing the new policy. But in announcing the PPG, the president made clear that at least some of the restrictions were “already in place.” If “imminence” was one of them, The Intercept’s story would inform how the government applies its policy today, as well.

The new documents also call into question other aspects and applications of the government’s policy. The president has justified the use of drones by asserting that they are more “precise” than manned aircraft. But The Intercept reports that the government’s ability to track potential targets in places like Yemen and Somalia is “poor” and “limited,” often based on hazy and incomplete signals intelligence, or SIGINT. (One researcher likened the visual surveillance drones provide to watching the world below through a “soda straw.”) And while the president’s policy purports to restrict strikes to occasions on which the government has a “near certainty” that no bystanders will be killed, the website published government data suggesting that, in a five-month period during one U.S. operation in Afghanistan, more than 90 percent of the individuals killed were not the targets of the strikes.

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I'm surprised this hasn't been posted already considering those in here who love leaked classified data that exposes government inadequacy.
 
Bush's fault. Especially the killing citizens without trials part, and the innocent people part, and the everyone we killed was a terrorist unless proven otherwise part.

This won't be a big deal because it's not bad when one team does it. This should be a lesson to both parties that any power secured by your party will be used (exploited) by the other.
 
Obama was supposed to be a vast improvement over Bush. It's why I voted for him...twice. If he continued/expanded bad policies then it's his fault, not Bush's.
 
Noble Peace Prize winner.

...and Richard Nixon was a Quaker. He bombed a lot of people.

:colbert:

Look, Bush is rightfully blamed for a lot of things. Thats good. However, don't assume that the left doesn't rightfully blame Obama for continuing with the drone program(s). This is on him.
 
They do? If you really press them on it, you might get a meek "Yes, I'm disappointed in Obama" which is usually then followed by "BUT BUSH!!!!"

Obama's acquiescence to the Bush-era policies does not diminish the blame that Bush should receive. "But Bush..." is entirely appropriate in many situations.
 
The first in history to accidentally bomb another nobel prize winner.

Also the first in history to win the prize before actually doing something. Which is a damn good thing, since he hasn't done anything since to earn it....
 
Also the first in history to win the prize before actually doing something. Which is a damn good thing, since he hasn't done anything since to earn it....

Really? Negotiating with Iran to get them to stop making/pursuing nuclear weapons is no big deal right?

With regards to the use of drones, many people are for or against the program and it doesn't matter what party they affiliate with.

In my opinion any war we are involved in that was baseless in the first place, I'm going to advocate for any program that minimizes the chances of our soldiers dying.

With regards to Middle East policy in general, I think we should get the f out and let Iran police the place, they at least have something worth protecting. And yes Obama has continued in bush's disastrous footsteps and I'm extremely disappointed.

But we all know it's not the policy you bitches care about, it's the politics, which is why you guys complain about anything Obama does and yet you are completely fucking silent about any of the republican presidential candidates who wish to be even more involved in the Middle East.

You guys are the biggest hacks in the room.
 
...and Richard Nixon was a Quaker. He bombed a lot of people.

:colbert:

Look, Bush is rightfully blamed for a lot of things. Thats good. However, don't assume that the left doesn't rightfully blame Obama for continuing with the drone program(s). This is on him.

dont see the left protesting.

The left fakes outrage just as much as the right, if not more.
 
Really? Negotiating with Iran to get them to stop making/pursuing nuclear weapons is no big deal right?

With regards to the use of drones, many people are for or against the program and it doesn't matter what party they affiliate with.

In my opinion any war we are involved in that was baseless in the first place, I'm going to advocate for any program that minimizes the chances of our soldiers dying.

With regards to Middle East policy in general, I think we should get the f out and let Iran police the place, they at least have something worth protecting. And yes Obama has continued in bush's disastrous footsteps and I'm extremely disappointed.

But we all know it's not the policy you bitches care about, it's the politics, which is why you guys complain about anything Obama does and yet you are completely fucking silent about any of the republican presidential candidates who wish to be even more involved in the Middle East.

You guys are the biggest hacks in the room.

Iran did not stop pursing making the bomb. Are you on the left really this stupid? They got money in exchange for not working on it for a few years. Its more a pause, 5 years from now, they'll more money, better weapons, and a new chance to make their nukes.
 
Iran did not stop pursing making the bomb. Are you on the left really this stupid? They got money in exchange for not working on it for a few years. Its more a pause, 5 years from now, they'll more money, better weapons, and a new chance to make their nukes.

Aww look at you making things up, how adorable!
 
It's President Bush's fault for initiating the program and in this case President Obama deserves more blame for the massive expansion of the program tacitly accepting an atrocious (I use that word intentionally) death rate on non-combatants

That being said does anyone really think the drone strike program was all clean and 100% free of non-combatant deaths before 2009? If so you're an unmitigated fucking ass.

Unfortunately, people would squeal like stuck pigs if all of the relevant individuals were put in the docks at the Hague.

Just look at the replies. Is it any wonder that presidents pardon (or choose not to pursue charges on) their predecessors? It's a process that allows the U.S. to be hypocrites about deaths of bystanders.



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It's President Bush's fault for initiating the program and in this case President Obama deserves more blame for the massive expansion of the program tacitly accepting an atrocious (I use that word intentionally) death rate on non-combatants

That being said does anyone really think the drone strike program was all clean and 100% free of non-combatant deaths before 2009? If so you're an unmitigated fucking ass.

Unfortunately, people would squeal like stuck pigs if all of the relevant individuals were put in the docks at the Hague.

Just look at the replies. Is it any wonder that presidents pardon (or choose not to pursue charges on) their predecessors? It's a process that allows the U.S. to be hypocrites about deaths of bystanders.
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I've rarely agreed with anyone this much.

I think that since 2008 people have become fatigued about war related things. Part of it stems from the true believers that would excuse Obama of exsangunating a tibetan monk on the west lawn with a rusty pipe so a lot of people simply tuned out and I think they'll probably stay that way until this time next year. It's going to get worse until both parties agree that these assumed powers are unacceptable.
 
It's President Bush's fault for initiating the program and in this case President Obama deserves more blame for the massive expansion of the program tacitly accepting an atrocious (I use that word intentionally) death rate on non-combatants

That being said does anyone really think the drone strike program was all clean and 100% free of non-combatant deaths before 2009? If so you're an unmitigated fucking ass.

Unfortunately, people would squeal like stuck pigs if all of the relevant individuals were put in the docks at the Hague.

Just look at the replies. Is it any wonder that presidents pardon (or choose not to pursue charges on) their predecessors? It's a process that allows the U.S. to be hypocrites about deaths of bystanders.



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No doubt nearly everyone understands that this program can't avoid innocent casualties/non-combatants. The issue is the 90% number, and that number is also likely distorted. While those 90% might have been innocents it's also likely that some, or even most of them, were combatants as well.

I think this thread also shows that many on both sides also accept the necessary evil of the drone program, particularly now that we know the extent of Obama's program. At least, I am going to assume that since those who were vociferously against the drone program when Bush was in office now seem to be conspicuously silent. So, ivwshane is right. This absolutely is about politics.
 
Really? Negotiating with Iran to get them to stop making/pursuing nuclear weapons is no big deal right?

With regards to the use of drones, many people are for or against the program and it doesn't matter what party they affiliate with.

In my opinion any war we are involved in that was baseless in the first place, I'm going to advocate for any program that minimizes the chances of our soldiers dying.

With regards to Middle East policy in general, I think we should get the f out and let Iran police the place, they at least have something worth protecting. And yes Obama has continued in bush's disastrous footsteps and I'm extremely disappointed.

But we all know it's not the policy you bitches care about, it's the politics, which is why you guys complain about anything Obama does and yet you are completely fucking silent about any of the republican presidential candidates who wish to be even more involved in the Middle East.

You guys are the biggest hacks in the room.

So.... the award he won in 2009 is a result of something he had a tiny bit of involvement with in 2015? Holy shit! He's invented time travel too! Shouldn't he have been given an award for that?

But wait... is it this deal you're talking about? The one Iran is already accusing the US of breaking?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/4/iran-accuses-us-of-already-breaking-nuclear-deal/

Or perhaps it is this deal you're talking about... the one Iran has already broken:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...uclear-deal-quds-forces-leader-visits-russia/

Or perhaps it is this deal you're talking about... the one that on it's face appears to be illegal.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ials-conclude-iran-deal-violates-federal-law/

Oh wait... they're all the same deal!

So you're using an already fucked-up deal negotiated 6 years after the fact to justify a Nobel Prize the was based (at the Nobel Committees admittance) on a couple speeches the guy gave?

Kudos.
 
It's funny how I addressed one part of your original post and you were able to completely straw man the shit out of it!

Since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your thing, let me help you:

You claimed obama hasn't done anything since winning the peace prize, I countered that he has and used the agreement with Iran as the example. By anyone's standard, negotiating with a country whome a lot of our political leaders think is a threat if they get a nuclear bomb, to get them to stop their pursuit of that program is a pretty big deal. The fact that there may be legal or technical issues with the deal doesn't change that fact.

I enjoyed the rant though. It gave me a chance to see what issues will need to be resolved. Unfortunately it looks like we will have to rely on congress to solve some of those issues. It should be fun watching republicans twist themselves by getting in the way of progress.

So.... the award he won in 2009 is a result of something he had a tiny bit of involvement with in 2015? Holy shit! He's invented time travel too! Shouldn't he have been given an award for that?

But wait... is it this deal you're talking about? The one Iran is already accusing the US of breaking?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/4/iran-accuses-us-of-already-breaking-nuclear-deal/

Or perhaps it is this deal you're talking about... the one Iran has already broken:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...uclear-deal-quds-forces-leader-visits-russia/

Or perhaps it is this deal you're talking about... the one that on it's face appears to be illegal.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ials-conclude-iran-deal-violates-federal-law/

Oh wait... they're all the same deal!

So you're using an already fucked-up deal negotiated 6 years after the fact to justify a Nobel Prize the was based (at the Nobel Committees admittance) on a couple speeches the guy gave?

Kudos.
 
Gotcha. So your lone example of his achievements is an illegal treaty he didn't negotiate that both sides appear to already have broken. Can you walk and chew gum at the same time or is that asking too much?
 
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