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US doing great job in Afghanistan

BOBDN

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A little taste of what's to come in Iraq.

In Afghanistan, chaos continues to reign

"The big mistake is from the Americans. They want to bring peace to Afghanistan with thieves and killers. The Americans after two years have learned nothing," said Abdul Raouf, a car dealer in the eastern city of Jalalabad. "Every day the situation is worse."

"Everybody says warlords, but who are these warlords? They are commanders, they are government ministers," said Raouf. "We didn't like the Taliban but there was security then, there were laws. But now anyone with a gun is the law."
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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We have a nack for making friends with people who later come back and bite us in the ass... Saddam, the Mujahiddin...
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
We have a nack for making friends with people who later come back and bite us in the ass... Saddam, the Mujahiddin...
"No good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit"

Our leaders speak of freedom as they create chaos.

All the while protecting the interests of a very few.

Sad.

Sadder still they do these things in our name.
 
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Originally posted by: BOBDN


These morons all believe if you aren't stupid enough to have to join up to make a living you aren't a "real" American.

Their only real asset is the ease with which they're brainwashed. Makes them all perfect candidates to become grunts.

They need the "structure" of military life. They need someone to tell them how exactly to do everything. They don't possess the mental faculties to figure it out on their own.

Now that their brainwashing is complete they think they've made some "contribution."

The only contribution made was us contributing our tax dollars to keep these dullards employed until they could be taught how to march in a straight line.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: BOBDN


These morons all believe if you aren't stupid enough to have to join up to make a living you aren't a "real" American.

Their only real asset is the ease with which they're brainwashed. Makes them all perfect candidates to become grunts.

They need the "structure" of military life. They need someone to tell them how exactly to do everything. They don't possess the mental faculties to figure it out on their own.

Now that their brainwashing is complete they think they've made some "contribution."

The only contribution made was us contributing our tax dollars to keep these dullards employed until they could be taught how to march in a straight line.
 

SuperTool

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It's part of Bush's "Fight everyone but Al-Qaeda" strategy. I guess he is content in letting the real killers of 9/11 hide in Afghanistan's mountains while we are chasing invisible WMD's in Iraq.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: BOBDN


These morons all believe if you aren't stupid enough to have to join up to make a living you aren't a "real" American.

Their only real asset is the ease with which they're brainwashed. Makes them all perfect candidates to become grunts.

They need the "structure" of military life. They need someone to tell them how exactly to do everything. They don't possess the mental faculties to figure it out on their own.

Now that their brainwashing is complete they think they've made some "contribution."

The only contribution made was us contributing our tax dollars to keep these dullards employed until they could be taught how to march in a straight line.
Just what the hell does that have to do with the subject?

What's wrong galt? Can't defend your leader and his screw ups in Afghanistan and Iraq? Everything people warned him would happen if he invaded Iraq is happening and you can't make any more excuses?

Please pardon galt. The above quote is in reference to the moron who re-posted it here.

galt must have something to do with the US effort in Afghanistan thus his interest in this thread.

Besides, they'd need someone of his caliber and lack of ability to screw things up this badly.

galt told me the military paid for his doctorate. He's not bright enough to realize WE paid for it. But I think he's making the whole thing up.

galt, do you actually expect anyone to believe you hold a doctorate? What is it? Doctor of military fvck up? PhD in how to get a free education and call it a contribution to society?

I know what you're saying; I know what you're saying ...

"Who is John Galt?"
No, moron. That's not what I'm saying. Here's what I'm saying:

Who gives a fvck?
 

Tab

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What alternative do you propose BOBDN? Maybe if you did some reading on the amount of opium is farmed and along with other drugs you'd know why its pretty damned difficult. A Afgan recuited by the US (or colliation(sp) is payed ALOT less than the guy who works for the drug lords.
 

XZeroII

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You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Their is a difference between brutal order and lawlessness?

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The United States Agency for International Development?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fox guarding the chickens. Why not just ask Bush how things are going?

I'll get my info from legitimate news sources, thanks.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The United States Agency for International Development?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fox guarding the chickens. Why not just ask Bush how things are going?

I'll get my info from legitimate news sources, thanks.
And those sources are?
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
nice link.

i googled and within a few seconds the following link popped up. although not nearly as informative as the one you provided,
it does tell us about important humanitarian successes that the u.s./coaliton intervention made possible.

reliefweb: humanitarian success stories in afghanistan

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
nice link.

i googled and within a few seconds the following link. although not nearly as informative as the one you provided, it does
tell us about important humanitarian successes that the u.s./coaliton intervention made possible.

reliefweb: humanitarian success stories in afghanistan
It is not hard to back up the claims made by US aid, however bob will discredit because it carries good news.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The United States Agency for International Development?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fox guarding the chickens. Why not just ask Bush how things are going?

I'll get my info from legitimate news sources, thanks.
i'd like to point out that any info you have is hearsay, and the truth of it cannot be verfied. it goes both ways, of course.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The United States Agency for International Development?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fox guarding the chickens. Why not just ask Bush how things are going?

I'll get my info from legitimate news sources, thanks.
i'd like to point out that any info you have is hearsay, and the truth of it cannot be verfied. it goes both ways, of course.
The $87 BILLION Bush is asking for isn't hearsay, is it?

And how much of it is goint to Afghanistan?

Sounds like things are going REAL well, huh?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The United States Agency for International Development?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fox guarding the chickens. Why not just ask Bush how things are going?

I'll get my info from legitimate news sources, thanks.
i'd like to point out that any info you have is hearsay, and the truth of it cannot be verfied. it goes both ways, of course.
The $87 BILLION Bush is asking for isn't hearsay, is it?

And how much of it is goint to Afghanistan?

Sounds like things are going REAL well, huh?
I think around 15 billion.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The United States Agency for International Development?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fox guarding the chickens. Why not just ask Bush how things are going?

I'll get my info from legitimate news sources, thanks.
And those sources are?
No answer. How surprising. I guess the electronic version of the NJ Birdcage Liner/Fish Wrapper hasn't posted an article critical of the progress made in Afghanistan yet. When it does I'm sure it will be posted, pronto.

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: ElFenix

i'd like to point out that any info you have is hearsay, and the truth of it cannot be verfied. it goes both ways, of course.
The $87 BILLION Bush is asking for isn't hearsay, is it?

And how much of it is goint to Afghanistan?

Sounds like things are going REAL well, huh?
like i said, you really can't evaluate the truth of what you hear because you can't experience what the truth is yourself. thus, its hearsay.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: XZeroII
You have to crawl before you can walk. We can't be held responsible if people there can't run a gov't.

Also: So what you are saying is that we should let terrorists get away with killing Americans because these terrorists are dictators in other countries and it upsets the locals there that they have no leader anymore?
If we cannot provide for some security and crush the lawlessness, the Afghanis will want to return the last government that did, which was the Taliban. People will preffer brutal order over a complete anarchy and lawlessness. After you get robbed a few times, a handchopping for thiefs won't look too bad. So it's important for us to show that what we are selling to the Afghanis is better than what Taliban was selling. Are we going to risk having a failed Afghani state as we did in the 80's?
Lots of progress being made, even outside of kabul....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The United States Agency for International Development?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fox guarding the chickens. Why not just ask Bush how things are going?

I'll get my info from legitimate news sources, thanks.
And those sources are?
No answer. How surprising. I guess the electronic version of the NJ Birdcage Liner/Fish Wrapper hasn't posted an article critical of the progress made in Afghanistan yet. When it does I'm sure it will be posted, pronto.

UQ.....been on vacation?

I was reading. I hope you don't mind. You should try it sometime. It might give you a more balanced view. Although myopia seems somehow your choice.

My sources?


Foreign Affairs

Council on Foreign Relations

The New York Times

BBC

Al Jazeerah

Fox News

NPR

The Center for Public Integrity

CNN

Tom Paine

The Washington Post

Detroit Free Press

LA Times

Interest.com Top 100 Newspapers

Top 100 Daily Newspapers in the United States

Top 100 Global Newspapers

I have many more in my favorites.

Why don't you start with those. I wouldn't want to overwhelm you since you just got back.

I can also provide you with broadcast media sources since the Bush administration seems to be losing their bid to consolidate them among a few of their wealthy friends.

:D
 

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