US Doctors' beliefs can hinder patient care.

[Number1]

From this MSNBC Article here are a few exemples of what some US doctors are doing:

Denying the morning after pill to a rape victim.

Not presenting a patient with all healt care alternatives.

Gynecologists not giving out birth control prescriptions.

Infertility clinics turning away lesbians and unmarried women.

63 percent of doctors said it is acceptable to tell patients they have moral objections to treatments, and 18 percent felt no obligation to refer patients elsewhere.

Sixteen legislatures have given doctors the right to refuse to perform sterilizations

Four states are considering granting carte blanche refusal rights ? much like the law adopted by Mississippi in 2004, which allows any health care provider to refuse practically anything on moral grounds.

My personal take on this:

This is an outrage. A doctor's personal beliefs should not allow them to deny care to anybody. Religion should have no say in how the health care system is run.
To think that this is going on in the most technologically advance country in the world is mind blowing. I could expect to see things like this in Iran or Afghanistan, but the US???

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It strikes me that allowing personal beliefs to trump the rights of the patient would be a violation of the hippocratic oath. A doctor is like any other professional: if they can't do the job they are supposed to based on moral objections, then they should find work elsewhere.

 

[ayabe]

This is same deal for pharmacists, if you refuse to perform your duty, for which you are handsomely paid and licensed due to your personal beliefs, you need to lose said license and leave the profession. END OF STORY.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
It strikes me that allowing personal beliefs to trump the rights of the patient would be a violation of the hippocratic oath. A doctor is like any other professional: if they can't do the job they are supposed to based on moral objections, then they should find work elsewhere.

The way they twist this around is by saying that they can't be forced to help a patient by harming a "posible" fetus.

 

[shadow9d9]

Can't you simply report said doctors to the medical board, etc?

 

[Kwaipie]

The Hippocratic Oath:

1. I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.

2. To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

3. To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.

4. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

5. But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

6. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

7. In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

8. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

9. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

2 - Has been interpreted as not giving alternatives
3 - No assisted suicide
4 - No abortions

 

[RightIsWrong]

I think that, like marriage....if it is licensed by the state and we are supposed to have a separation of church and state, then said religious beliefs prohibiting your ability to perform your job fully should result in loss of license.

If you want to proudly proclaim your religious beliefs from the mountain tops.....have at it. But don't inject your religion into my healthcare.

 

[Slew Foot]

In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.

Clearly you're using sarcasm to ridicule the idea that you should put aside personal beliefs in the workplace, but what is the natural end to that idea? If you work at a job with mandatory overtime, you can't tell your boss "I can't work on the weekend as my religion tells me to keep holy the sabbath," or you will be replaced. Likewise, a vegan working at McDonalds wouldn't last long after telling management they wouldn't prepare any food with animal products. There is a limit to how far your personal morals can be injected into your job, especially in important jobs (like saving lives for example).

Doctors need to be held to the highest standard here because they are holding life in the balance. If a doctor has a personal objection to abortion, then s/he should work in a field where s/he will never be required to perform one (how many optometrists get called in to do an abortion?). If they are a surgeon at a hospital that offers abortions, they're going to have to accept that as part of their job responsibility, or find a new place to work. Or how about for every duty of their job they fail to perform, for whatever reason, they have to take a 10 percent pay cut? How many of these surgeons will stick to their beliefs when 30,000 dollars is on the line?

Slew raises a good point that at the very least doctors should point patients in the direction of someone who can help them. But I don't agree that this is the best road. We all know how hard it is to get into the doctor's office. I called the doctor today, and they aren't scheduling new patients for 2 months. It's a very busy place that often requires a lot of waiting, and ultimately means you're taking the day off work (which a lot of poor people can't afford). So to go to all the trouble of getting into the doctor's office, only to have them say "I can't help you, try Bob," is an absolute bastardry of all that is good in the world. Many won't be able to take another whole day off work, and instead will take the cheapest option available to them (which generally means not seeking help and letting the problem get worse until they have to resort to the emergency room or hospitalization at the taxpayer's expense). This is NOT a good system, and it has no business existing because someone has a moral objection to doing their job.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.

What a bunch of meaningless garbage.


Our laws determine what is moraly acceptable by society, not doctors. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

 

[Jaskalas]

Is it so difficult to find a doctor who will say yes when another says no, should they not have the choice to say no? I find this difficult to decide, but isn?t it the doctor?s practice/life on the line if he is forced to make what is considered a mistake?

 

[ericlp]

Yeah, were suppose to have judges, doctors, presidents, governors, cops, pharmacist and taxi cab drivers that should just DO their JOB and NOT let faith get in the way....

That is why we are suppose to have SEPARATION form church and state...

I don't know about you, but, it will be a lot more difficult to object to this sort of treatment ... Clearly, this nation is headed in the wrong direction.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.

What a bunch of meaningless garbage.


Our laws determine what is moraly acceptable by society, not doctors. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

What law forces a doctor to perform an abortion?

I like your refreshing Stalinist views though. The State creates determines morality. Yes, the USSR, Nazi Germany all off the hook. If you can't handle freedom others will usurp it from you as you would do to others.

Fortunately the majority of adults in society don't agree with your vision. They may or may not approve of something like abortion, however we don't prohibit it. Neither do we force someone to participate under a threat to meet your personal standards. For the moment we all have true freedom of choice until someone with an attitude like yours takes it away.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.

What a bunch of meaningless garbage.


Our laws determine what is moraly acceptable by society, not doctors. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Like hell they do. The "law" does not nor shall it ever define MY morals. At one time the "law" said that it was perfectly ok to purchase and sell people . Yet I don't think any of us would argue that a person (regardless of their job) who was against slavery was morally wrong simply because it was legal.

A few of the op's list are way over the line such as a Gynecologists not giving out birth control prescriptions. I would agree if they had that much of an issue they should have chosen a new profession. However, a doctor refusing to sterilize an 18 year old man is not that out of line to me.

Like it or not, their are some medical procedures that could be considered morally questionable to a large portion of the population. So unless you, as some of the other posters have requested, want 63% of the doctors to "get out of the kitchen" you will just have to find a doctor whose morals are on the same line as yours, which in my experience hasn't been that hard to do.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.

What a bunch of meaningless garbage.


Our laws determine what is moraly acceptable by society, not doctors. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

What law forces a doctor to perform an abortion?

I like your refreshing Stalinist views though. The State creates determines morality. Yes, the USSR, Nazi Germany all off the hook. If you can't handle freedom others will usurp it from you as you would do to others.

Fortunately the majority of adults in society don't agree with your vision. They may or may not approve of something like abortion, however we don't prohibit it. Neither do we force someone to participate under a threat to meet your personal standards. For the moment we all have true freedom of choice until someone with an attitude like yours takes it away.

So you'd agree that an individual should ONLY have to follow their own moral compass, and no law should limit the extent to which they do so? If I find you to be an obnoxious jackass, can I crack you in the head with a hammer? After all, MY moral values say that society is better off without obnoxious jackasses in it, and only a Stalinist would try to deprive me of my right to carry out what my moral compass tells me to do.

These absolute views are silly, doctors should of course not be forced to do whatever the patient or the state tells them to do, but neither should they be able to do whatever the hell they like and maintain their medical license. Really, and I can't believe I need to say this, the solution is a middle ground of some sort.

Lucky for us, such a middle ground is quite easy to find. "Freedom" means freedom for everyone, not just for moralizing doctors. A doctor could refuse to give treatment on moral grounds, but he or she must ensure that such treatment is still available to the patient. After all, the patient is a person who's rights need protecting as well...no amount of high and mighty rants about personal choice gives you the right to make choices for someone else. A doctor might personally be opposed to abortion, and I'd be OK with allowing them to not perform one under those circumstances, but the doctor cannot interfere with the right of a woman to have one...and it's pretty clear that's exactly the kind of thing that's happening.

Edit: I personally feel that a doctor's job does not involve judging the morality of medical treatments, as long as they don't interfere with the rights of another person (no organ stealing, please), but I see the danger of taking judgment out of professional responsibility. It's easy to reject it when it's obnoxious religious folks trying to force their personal beliefs on everyone, but as someone else alluded to, people who think the law is always right and your own personal moral compass doesn't matter would have made fine slave catchers.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Number1
My personal take on this:

This is an outrage. A doctor's personal beliefs should not allow them to deny care to anybody. Religion should have no say in how the health care system is run.
To think that this is going on in the most technologically advance country in the world is mind blowing. I could expect to see things like this in Iran or Afghanistan, but the US???

Well, this is still a free country (in many respects). If that particular doctor doesn't wanna do something, fine it's their business. I'd just go look for another.

I think people who feel otherwise are just the flip sde of the coin. "How dare he TELL me what to do based on his morals. My morals are what count, he has to do what I say.."

How about neither of you tell the other what to do?

Like most doctors, I'm also self-employed. It's my business, my life and I'll decide if I will accept someone as a client. No one else.

Fern

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Number1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.
</end quote></div>

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.</end quote></div>

What a bunch of meaningless garbage.


Our laws determine what is moraly acceptable by society, not doctors. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.</end quote></div>

What law forces a doctor to perform an abortion?

I like your refreshing Stalinist views though. The State creates determines morality. Yes, the USSR, Nazi Germany all off the hook. If you can't handle freedom others will usurp it from you as you would do to others.

Fortunately the majority of adults in society don't agree with your vision. They may or may not approve of something like abortion, however we don't prohibit it. Neither do we force someone to participate under a threat to meet your personal standards. For the moment we all have true freedom of choice until someone with an attitude like yours takes it away.</end quote></div>

So you'd agree that an individual should ONLY have to follow their own moral compass, and no law should limit the extent to which they do so? If I find you to be an obnoxious jackass, can I crack you in the head with a hammer? After all, MY moral values say that society is better off without obnoxious jackasses in it, and only a Stalinist would try to deprive me of my right to carry out what my moral compass tells me to do.

These absolute views are silly, doctors should of course not be forced to do whatever the patient or the state tells them to do, but neither should they be able to do whatever the hell they like and maintain their medical license. Really, and I can't believe I need to say this, the solution is a middle ground of some sort.

Lucky for us, such a middle ground is quite easy to find. "Freedom" means freedom for everyone, not just for moralizing doctors. A doctor could refuse to give treatment on moral grounds, but he or she must ensure that such treatment is still available to the patient. After all, the patient is a person who's rights need protecting as well...no amount of high and mighty rants about personal choice gives you the right to make choices for someone else. A doctor might personally be opposed to abortion, and I'd be OK with allowing them to not perform one under those circumstances, but the doctor cannot interfere with the right of a woman to have one...and it's pretty clear that's exactly the kind of thing that's happening.

Edit: I personally feel that a doctor's job does not involve judging the morality of medical treatments, as long as they don't interfere with the rights of another person (no organ stealing, please), but I see the danger of taking judgment out of professional responsibility. It's easy to reject it when it's obnoxious religious folks trying to force their personal beliefs on everyone, but as someone else alluded to, people who think the law is always right and your own personal moral compass doesn't matter would have made fine slave catchers.

If you look at an earlier post you would have seen that no one was referring to refusing needed medical treatment. If someone came in injured, the existing standards of the practice of medice would prohibit someone from letting a black man die because he was black and they should. If someone hasn't the ability to understand the difference between a demand for an abortion and removing the bullet from a chest cavity, then I can't help them.


If you had read what you just quoted me as saying, then you should have understood that I said that options should remain open to all. That means a physician should NOT block someone from getting services, however the tenor of this thread has been (if you were reading) that physicians should be compelled to perform abortions (for example) or risk losing their license. It is those high and mighty obnoxious jackasses I have been addressing.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Rainsford
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Number1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.
</end quote></div>

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.</end quote></div>

What a bunch of meaningless garbage.


Our laws determine what is moraly acceptable by society, not doctors. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.</end quote></div>

What law forces a doctor to perform an abortion?

I like your refreshing Stalinist views though. The State creates determines morality. Yes, the USSR, Nazi Germany all off the hook. If you can't handle freedom others will usurp it from you as you would do to others.

Fortunately the majority of adults in society don't agree with your vision. They may or may not approve of something like abortion, however we don't prohibit it. Neither do we force someone to participate under a threat to meet your personal standards. For the moment we all have true freedom of choice until someone with an attitude like yours takes it away.</end quote></div>

So you'd agree that an individual should ONLY have to follow their own moral compass, and no law should limit the extent to which they do so? If I find you to be an obnoxious jackass, can I crack you in the head with a hammer? After all, MY moral values say that society is better off without obnoxious jackasses in it, and only a Stalinist would try to deprive me of my right to carry out what my moral compass tells me to do.

These absolute views are silly, doctors should of course not be forced to do whatever the patient or the state tells them to do, but neither should they be able to do whatever the hell they like and maintain their medical license. Really, and I can't believe I need to say this, the solution is a middle ground of some sort.

Lucky for us, such a middle ground is quite easy to find. "Freedom" means freedom for everyone, not just for moralizing doctors. A doctor could refuse to give treatment on moral grounds, but he or she must ensure that such treatment is still available to the patient. After all, the patient is a person who's rights need protecting as well...no amount of high and mighty rants about personal choice gives you the right to make choices for someone else. A doctor might personally be opposed to abortion, and I'd be OK with allowing them to not perform one under those circumstances, but the doctor cannot interfere with the right of a woman to have one...and it's pretty clear that's exactly the kind of thing that's happening.

Edit: I personally feel that a doctor's job does not involve judging the morality of medical treatments, as long as they don't interfere with the rights of another person (no organ stealing, please), but I see the danger of taking judgment out of professional responsibility. It's easy to reject it when it's obnoxious religious folks trying to force their personal beliefs on everyone, but as someone else alluded to, people who think the law is always right and your own personal moral compass doesn't matter would have made fine slave catchers.</end quote></div>


If you look at an earlier post you would have seen that no one was referring to refusing needed medical treatment. If someone came in injured, the existing standards of the practice of medice would prohibit someone from letting a black man die because he was black and they should. If someone hasn't the ability to understand the difference between a demand for an abortion and removing the bullet from a chest cavity, then I can't help them.


If you had read what you just quoted me as saying, then you should have understood that I said that options should remain open to all. That means a physician should NOT block someone from getting services, however the tenor of this thread has been (if you were reading) that physicians should be compelled to perform abortions (for example) or risk losing their license. It is those high and mighty obnoxious jackasses I have been addressing.

Well, for what it's worth, I disagree that doctors should be forced to perform abortions if they object on moral grounds (and I believe I said so in my post).

But I do sort of understand the folks who think so. After all, it's not like anyone suddenly sprung abortions on the medical community. Pretty much any doctor practicing today knew that part of their job could be performing abortions. If they wanted to take a strong moral stance against the practice, maybe they shouldn't have become doctors (or picked a different specialty). After all, it's a little bit weird to go through all of medical school and pick a specialty, all the while knowing that a part of that profession was doing something you were morally against, and only THEN claiming to oppose the idea.

I still don't think this a good reason to force doctors to perform procedures though. In this case their "moral stance" seems somewhat questionable, but this is one of those situations where you can't have it both ways...and I'd rather side with the way that allows doctors to reject forcibly conducting experiments on concentration camp prisoners if the government decides THAT'S legal.

 

[Luthien]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Number1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Slew Foot
In med school they told us that we didnt have to do anything we found morally objectionable, BUT we should point patients in the right direction to find proper care.
</end quote></div>

Obviously others disagree with you here. You are a slave to do whatever someone tells you to do. You are an animal that has no right to what you believe is right or wrong. If you don't appease those here they will want you stripped of your livelyhood and professional standing. Those here are your moral superiors, and will judge you by their standards. If you fail, heaven help you.</end quote></div>

What a bunch of meaningless garbage.


Our laws determine what is moraly acceptable by society, not doctors. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.</end quote></div>

What law forces a doctor to perform an abortion?

I like your refreshing Stalinist views though. The State creates determines morality. Yes, the USSR, Nazi Germany all off the hook. If you can't handle freedom others will usurp it from you as you would do to others.

Fortunately the majority of adults in society don't agree with your vision. They may or may not approve of something like abortion, however we don't prohibit it. Neither do we force someone to participate under a threat to meet your personal standards. For the moment we all have true freedom of choice until someone with an attitude like yours takes it away.</end quote></div>

So you'd agree that an individual should ONLY have to follow their own moral compass, and no law should limit the extent to which they do so? If I find you to be an obnoxious jackass, can I crack you in the head with a hammer? After all, MY moral values say that society is better off without obnoxious jackasses in it, and only a Stalinist would try to deprive me of my right to carry out what my moral compass tells me to do.

These absolute views are silly, doctors should of course not be forced to do whatever the patient or the state tells them to do, but neither should they be able to do whatever the hell they like and maintain their medical license. Really, and I can't believe I need to say this, the solution is a middle ground of some sort.

Lucky for us, such a middle ground is quite easy to find. "Freedom" means freedom for everyone, not just for moralizing doctors. A doctor could refuse to give treatment on moral grounds, but he or she must ensure that such treatment is still available to the patient. After all, the patient is a person who's rights need protecting as well...no amount of high and mighty rants about personal choice gives you the right to make choices for someone else. A doctor might personally be opposed to abortion, and I'd be OK with allowing them to not perform one under those circumstances, but the doctor cannot interfere with the right of a woman to have one...and it's pretty clear that's exactly the kind of thing that's happening.

Edit: I personally feel that a doctor's job does not involve judging the morality of medical treatments, as long as they don't interfere with the rights of another person (no organ stealing, please), but I see the danger of taking judgment out of professional responsibility. It's easy to reject it when it's obnoxious religious folks trying to force their personal beliefs on everyone, but as someone else alluded to, people who think the law is always right and your own personal moral compass doesn't matter would have made fine slave catchers.

nice post man

 

[heartsurgeon]

lemme get this right....some of you believe that physicians should be "forced" to provide services they don't want to?

well your loony tunes for starters...societies like Nazis and the Stalinists "forced" doctors to do things..

Many (probably MOST) hospitals do not offer abortions, and all catholic hospitals (of which there are multiple hundreds) prohibit abortions on their grounds....are you going to "force" them to bend to your superior ideas of how the world should work?

The Mayo Clinic was founded by an order of Catholic Nuns..are you going to close the Mayo Clinic because you know best?

Your overactive and underdeveloped intellects haven't thought this through very well (no surprise there)...even if you could "force" doctors to do what they didn't want to do...why would you want to go to a doctor who was "forced" to provide you with a service you demanded...think about that for a while, and you'll see the idiocy of your position.

Besides, this is a free market, if you don't get the service you want, go find a different Doctor!! Oh, I forgot, your all socialists, and want the goverment to provide you all the "free" health care you want, when and where you want it...

dream on..when the government takes over medicine, your not gonna get what you think your gonna get....

 

[Siddhartha]

If I were a doctor, I would not do anything I felt was wrong. If this were an issue with a patient I would tell my patient this and recommend that they go to another doctor.

 

[Corn]

Heartsurgeon in da house!

 

[bctbct]

Personally I think the only exception that moral beliefs of the doctor should come into play is abortion.

If they want to teach moral beliefs to others, well then they should jump to the clergy.

IMO opinion if we continue to see this trend doctors/pharmasists and insurance companies need to join together and specify in a contract what they are willing to perform for their clients.

If a doctor or pharm. rep feels strong enough about their moral beliefs that they would be eliminated from certain employment or that they would not be included in medicare/PPO contracts, well that would be their choice.

Dont take our money and flaunt your "superior" moral beliefs on me. Next thing you know cab drivers wont pick you up when you have been drinking.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Yeah, were suppose to have judges, doctors, presidents, governors, cops, pharmacist and taxi cab drivers that should just DO their JOB and NOT let faith get in the way....

That is why we are suppose to have SEPARATION form church and state...

I don't know about you, but, it will be a lot more difficult to object to this sort of treatment ... Clearly, this nation is headed in the wrong direction.

First of all, the separation of church and state only applies to the bolded above. Doctors, pharmacists, and taxi cabs drivers are the whim of the employers, but doctors and pharmacists especially are expected to give the best medical care to the best of their ability in spite of whatever their particular faith is.

If doctors and pharmacist won't give/fill contraceptives or the morning after pill because of their faith, take it up with their employer. If their employer has a policy that allows them to inject their personal beliefs in decisions like that so be it, find another doctor/pharmacist.

If the doctor/pharmacist has their own practice, so be it, find another doctor/pharmacist.

The same applies to taxi cab drivers.