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US Citizens Recieve More Organs than the Donate: Related to Huge Jessica Santillan Threads

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washingtonpost.com U.S. Citizens Get More Organs Than They Give
Donations From Foreign Residents on the Rise
By Shankar Vedantam
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 3, 2003; Page A03

The whispers started as soon as Jesica Santillan was declared dead nine days ago. Should two sets of hearts and lungs -- considered the scarcest transplantable organs -- have gone to an illegal immigrant?
But American citizens are more likely to benefit from organs donated by noncitizens than the other way around, according to the nation's coordinating transplant agency.
"As a percentage, every year, U.S. citizens receive more organs than they donate," said Anne Paschke, a spokeswoman for the United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS), which links organ donors with recipients nationwide.
In 2001, the last complete year for which statistics are available, U.S. citizens received 96.2 percent of the transplants in the country, Paschke said. By contrast, 94.8 percent of organ donors were citizens. The rest were permanent residents, nonresident foreigners and others, she said, and statistics going back more than a decade indicate the trend has held constant.
Santillan, a 17-year-old from Mexico, became widely known after Duke University doctors gave her mismatched organs last month. The case has trained a spotlight on medical errors and has led some to question whether scarce organs in the United States ought to go to foreigners, especially those who are in the country illegally. Santillan's family smuggled her into the country to get treatment for a chronic heart problem.
Santillan took organs out of the system, but the percentage of organ donors who are permanent residents has increased steadily in recent years. The rise could be a consequence of outreach efforts to encourage donation, particularly in the Hispanic community, Paschke said.
In 1998, green-card holders donated only 0.1 percent of organs in the country. That rose to 1 percent in 1999, 2.4 percent in 2000 and 2.8 percent in 2001, according to UNOS. Permanent residents receive about 2.3 percent of transplants each year.
Mixing politics, nationality and medicine makes doctors and the transplant network uncomfortable. Organ donation is an act of altruism, and the transplant community is loath to make anyone, citizen or noncitizen, reluctant to donate their organs after death.
"From a humanitarian perspective, it would be difficult for a physician in the U.S. to turn those people away who are in need," said Kenneth R. McCurry, director of lung and heart-lung transplants at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. "We shouldn't take this isolationist approach from a health care perspective that we can't allow non-U.S.-citizens to participate."
UNOS imposes a limit on how many organs from its system can be transplanted into foreigners who enter the country specifically to get medical care and into illegal immigrants, such as Santillan. In a year, no center may transplant more than 5 percent of organs into such patients. There are no limits on organ donations by noncitizens.
Although the recent case has highlighted the ethical dilemma posed to doctors when a desperately ill teenager arrives at a hospital's doorstep -- pitting the responsibility of doctors to care for the sick against rules limiting transplants to illegal immigrants -- cases such as Santillan's are the exception, not the rule.
Most foreign patients who receive U.S. transplants are referred by doctors in their home countries, McCurry said. A hospital then determines whether it can admit the patient without going beyond the 5 percent limit. If not, the hospital suggests the patient look elsewhere.
Officials at UNOS say there have been no serious violations of the rule. An internal committee composed of transplant surgeons, federal administrators and transplant activists examines any hospital that exceeds 5 percent to make sure it is not bringing in more than the allowed proportion of patients from other countries in order, for example, to make money from wealthy foreign patients.
Hospitals are viewed more leniently if they do a small number of transplants -- a center that does only 10 transplants of a particular organ would violate the rule if it offered even one transplant to someone like Santillan, because that would be 10 percent of its total, said Jorge Reyes, a member of the committee and the director of transplants at the Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh.
Ultimately, Reyes and others said, the way to make organs available for the many Americans on waiting lists is to increase organ donation in the United States and to help create expertise in other countries that would allow patients like Santillan to be treated in Mexico, rather than in North Carolina.
Programs to train surgeons and to establish networks that collect and distribute organs are now widespread in Europe, greatly diminishing the number of European patients who come to the United States, Reyes said.
The majority of foreign patients who enter the United States for transplants are now from Central and Latin America.


© 2003 The Washington Post Company
 
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i skimmed. but so what? permanent residents are legal immigrants, many of which will become citizens, they do not skirt our laws and then expect something from us.

i don't see a huge number of illegal immigrants donating organs. i still don't see the point. not to mention, her parents didn't donate her organs after she died. another strike.

unless we're importing illegal immigrants for organ harvests, theres no justification for illegal immigrants taking away from citizens and legal residents that need organs.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i skimmed. but so what? permanent residents are legal immigrants, many of which will become citizens, they do not skirt our laws and then expect something from us.

i don't see a huge number of illegal immigrants donating organs. i still don't see the point. not to mention, her parents didn't donate her organs after she died. another strike.

There was an autopsy done. Not sure you can donate the organs after that.
 
My wife is an immigrant from the Phillipines.

Her argument is: This immigrant was here illegally. To be honest I have to agree with her.

As much hassle and trouble as my wife has gone through to come to the states and live and work here (she had her green card before we even met), she's none too happy that some illegal can cross over from Mexico and get free medical care and welfare.

I'm a native born american citizen, and to be honest I can see her point. If this had been a LEGAL immigrant, it would just be another tragedy. Instead we gave these organs to an illegal who should not have been given them to begin with.

I don't blame the doctors, my wife is a nurse and I know that those doctors would have given that poor girl 100 transplants if they think it would have saved her. The doctors & nurses will never refuse to give medical care. The fault lies with the people above the doctors. They should have had the balls to say no.

Go ahead and flame me, I don't mind.
 
In 2001, the last complete year for which statistics are available, U.S. citizens received 96.2 percent of the transplants in the country, Paschke said. By contrast, 94.8 percent of organ donors were citizens. The rest were permanent residents, nonresident foreigners and others, she said, and statistics going back more than a decade indicate the trend has held constant.
These are people here lawfully, not unlawfully. Point moot, nothing to see, move along.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i skimmed. but so what? permanent residents are legal immigrants, many of which will become citizens, they do not skirt our laws and then expect something from us.

i don't see a huge number of illegal immigrants donating organs. i still don't see the point. not to mention, her parents didn't donate her organs after she died. another strike.

There was an autopsy done. Not sure you can donate the organs after that.

i wish that were so.

the reality is..they are ungrateful bastards that should get thrown back across the border.

i'd break their legs first, but then again i'm pretty spiteful.

Let's hope that anonymous someone sees it differently than Jesica Santillan's own parents.

According to a statement released by Duke University, they refused to donate even one of her organs even though Carolina Donor Services determined they might save another child. I find that nothing less than heartbreaking.

http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/coleen_cason/article/0,1375,VCS_221_1772249,00.html


impossible to defend them after that. refusing to donate AND recieve organs because of religious beliefs is one thing. recieving illegally not one, but two sets, then denying them to others is plain evil.


tcenter is right, theres no point to this article. i was a perm resident for 7 years, now i am a citizen. so what. if i had died, they wouldn't have counted me as a citizen before. talk about playing with numbers.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
unless we're importing illegal immigrants for organ harvests, theres no justification for illegal immigrants taking away from citizens and legal residents that need organs.
There's an idea -- INS takes a kidney and some blood before they deport you. 😀

kidding, sort of.

Second offense, take it all!


(Yes, I realize that illegals are now needed for a lot of low-wage agricultural work that citizens and even legal residents turn up their noses at. Someday we'll have to admit that and start offering seasonal work visas, perhaps with a lottery to let some become citizens.)
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i skimmed. but so what? permanent residents are legal immigrants, many of which will become citizens, they do not skirt our laws and then expect something from us.

i don't see a huge number of illegal immigrants donating organs. i still don't see the point. not to mention, her parents didn't donate her organs after she died. another strike.

There was an autopsy done. Not sure you can donate the organs after that.

They could have donated multiple organs/tissues & still not greatly affected the autopsy (her corneas would have been used, etc), and in this case the autopsy was a moot point, they had a very good idea about why she died.

Originally posted by: Ime


I don't blame the doctors, my wife is a nurse and I know that those doctors would have given that poor girl 100 transplants if they think it would have saved her. The doctors & nurses will never refuse to give medical care. The fault lies with the people above the doctors. They should have had the balls to say no.

Go ahead and flame me, I don't mind.

Yep, administration has everything to do with most of this stuff, I get asked questions about $ etc daily in the hospital I work in, & I just do my job, & disregard all issues except what's best for my patient.



 
In China the penalty for many crimes is death. Even things that in the US are nowhere near considered death penalty stuff. Iirc correctly theft of any kind there, the penalty is death.
The execution yards are just outside hospitals. The prisoners get shot and then taken into the hospital to have their organs removed for transplant. Why spend thousands a year to jail a prisoner when you can kill them and get money for their organs. 🙁
Human life is worthless in China.
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i skimmed. but so what? permanent residents are legal immigrants, many of which will become citizens, they do not skirt our laws and then expect something from us.

i don't see a huge number of illegal immigrants donating organs. i still don't see the point. not to mention, her parents didn't donate her organs after she died. another strike.

There was an autopsy done. Not sure you can donate the organs after that.

They could have donated multiple organs/tissues & still not greatly affected the autopsy (her corneas would have been used, etc), and in this case the autopsy was a moot point, they had a very good idea about why she died.

Originally posted by: Ime


I don't blame the doctors, my wife is a nurse and I know that those doctors would have given that poor girl 100 transplants if they think it would have saved her. The doctors & nurses will never refuse to give medical care. The fault lies with the people above the doctors. They should have had the balls to say no.

Go ahead and flame me, I don't mind.

Yep, administration has everything to do with most of this stuff, I get asked questions about $ etc daily in the hospital I work in, & I just do my job, & disregard all issues except what's best for my patient.

The autopsy was done for evidence for the upcoming malpractice lawsuit
 
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