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IronWing

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Trump has ordered flags at half staff for the Capitol Police officer murdered on Trump's behalf.
 

esquared

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Only took 5 days
He died Thursday night, 3 days ago.
I was watching cnn this afternon and one of pelosi's (former staffer) told an anecdotal story about Officer Sicknick.
Apparently he was a trump supporter, in context of this story.
I am guessing news of the dead officer being a trump supporter got back to the orange menace and he lowered the flags.


"I collapsed into him in tears and I knew he was a Trump supporter – he was an outspoken Trump supporter – and he put that aside in that moment to comfort a friend and it was a small gesture of kindness, but one that has always stuck with me," she said."

That's the only reason for a 3 day delay.
This is the transactional president.
Nothing is given by him unless you provide fealty, loyalty or money.
He will never do the right thing on his own.
 

eelw

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id you know that Trump spoke behind "the very thick bullet proof" glass on the 6th, because Pence is trying to have him assassinated.
At rallies, do they normally use the bullet proof glass? Doesn't appear to be from video footage.
 

SmCaudata

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Really interesting account from what appears to be someone that frequents protests. I find the lack of restrictions on items and the fact that the Bill Nye Science gathering having a bigger show of force to be interesting. As someone mentioned above about the readiness to stab the capital police in the back, it sounds like many protesters turned on the police when the police didn't join them.

 
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guidryp

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Really interesting account from what appears to be someone that frequents protests. I find the lack of restrictions on items and the fact that the Bill Nye Science gathering having a bigger show of force to be interesting. As someone mentioned above about the readiness to stab the capital police in the back, it sounds like many protesters turned on the police when the police didn't join them.

Good read. At least with failure to be properly prepared for the "protest", and the wake up call it delivered, they will likely be extremely well prepared for the Inauguration.

They will now be taking these MAGA wing nuts VERY seriously.
 

Zorba

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At rallies, do they normally use the bullet proof glass? Doesn't appear to be from video footage.
They knew who was there...

But they typically use the glass if it an event that doesn't have completely controlled access. There is always the glass at inauguration too.

I don't recall seeing it at a normal rally before, but usually there is extremely through security screening. My question is, why wasn't there security screening at this rally? Was that initially to allow these nuts to keep their weapons?
 

Zorba

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Really interesting account from what appears to be someone that frequents protests. I find the lack of restrictions on items and the fact that the Bill Nye Science gathering having a bigger show of force to be interesting. As someone mentioned above about the readiness to stab the capital police in the back, it sounds like many protesters turned on the police when the police didn't join them.

The only other federal law enforcement presence was an FBI Swat team of about eight officers who arrived to provide cover for the Capitol Fire and EMTs there to extract Ashli Babbitt, the QAnon radical who was shot inside the Capitol Building. 11/22

Should've let the bitch bleed out and be a warning to everyone else to stay the fuck away from that door. Or if her coconspirators were that concened they could've carried her to the EMTs. That SWAT team should've been used to protect the innocent not dragging out a half cold terrorist.
 

nOOky

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The only other federal law enforcement presence was an FBI Swat team of about eight officers who arrived to provide cover for the Capitol Fire and EMTs there to extract Ashli Babbitt, the QAnon radical who was shot inside the Capitol Building. 11/22

Should've let the bitch bleed out and be a warning to everyone else to stay the fuck away from that door. Or if her coconspirators were that concened they could've carried her to the EMTs. That SWAT team should've been used to protect the innocent not dragging out a half cold terrorist.
It looks like she was dead almost immediately The heart might have kept pumping for a few seconds as her arms were moving a bit, but she was agonal breathing right away. At least that's what it looked like. I'm no death expert.
 
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Sunburn74

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He died Thursday night, 3 days ago.
I was watching cnn this afternon and one of pelosi's (former staffer) told an anecdotal story about Officer Sicknick.
Apparently he was a trump supporter, in context of this story.
I am guessing news of the dead officer being a trump supporter got back to the orange menace and he lowered the flags.


"I collapsed into him in tears and I knew he was a Trump supporter – he was an outspoken Trump supporter – and he put that aside in that moment to comfort a friend and it was a small gesture of kindness, but one that has always stuck with me," she said."

That's the only reason for a 3 day delay.
This is the transactional president.
Nothing is given by him unless you provide fealty, loyalty or money.
He will never do the right thing on his own.
Ironic really. Elections have consequences.
 

guidryp

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If the Capitol Police chief's recounting of events are true, he really got hung out to dry when higher ups completely dropped the ball:

Outgoing Capitol Police chief: House, Senate security officials hamstrung efforts to call in National Guard
By Carol D. Leonnig, Aaron C. Davis, Peter Hermann and Karoun Demirjian

I have no reason to doubt him. That sound like a reasonable account. He was between a rock and hard place.

Those above him in the chain, that denied his request for NG support, have also resigned (been forced to) and we really need to hear their reasoning and if they were influenced further up the chain.
 

sportage

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DEMOCRACY... was fun while it lasted.
And.... if these radicals actually were successful in killing Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence and killing every single anti Trump person out there, then what? With a government by the radicals and for the radicals, a government by the hate and for the hate, how long could they possibly last before self imploding? Seriously... when you have so many different hate groups coming together for a common cause, as they did on January 6th, they eventually must separate back into their own ideological tribes. And then what? Well... you then have happening to America exactly what has happened to so many other countries throughout history, divided and conquered. If the far right radicals, the different hate groups came together to overthrow the United States of America, eventually that new radical government would be ripe for the taking. The taking of by a far more powerful and organized country... like oh say like China or the Soviet Union or maybe a combination of the two. A radical America divided by hate and radical ideologies of the many could not possibly hold together to fight off and to resist such a more powerful nation such as a China or a Soviet Union. America would be defeated and consumed faster than a Trumpie can wave his Trump flag. And in the end, with this radical America now being ruled by China or Russia or a combination of both, that old founding fathers American democracy wasn’t so bad after all. Sure beats an x radical America protestor now locked up in a Russia prison, naked wearing nothing but his torn and tattered Trump flag around his ignorant ass.
 
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manly

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I have no reason to doubt him. That sound like a reasonable account. He was between a rock and hard place.

Those above him in the chain, that denied his request for NG support, have also resigned (been forced to) and we really need to hear their reasoning and if they were influenced further up the chain.
I'm assuming the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms work for the legislative houses? Incompetence notwithstanding, why would Pelosi and McConnell jeopardize their own security?

Clearly there were some political considerations before and during the insurrection. A big part of the problem is that D.C. National Guard answers to POTUS, so it's hard to get them mobilized when POTUS is attempting a self-coup. From what we've learned, POTUS never actually authorized DCNG, which appears to be a violation of chain of command?
 

Dave_5k

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I'm assuming the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms work for the legislative houses? Incompetence notwithstanding, why would Pelosi and McConnell jeopardize their own security?
Correct as I also understand it
Clearly there were some political considerations before and during the insurrection. A big part of the problem is that D.C. National Guard answers to POTUS, so it's hard to get them mobilized when POTUS is attempting a self-coup. From what we've learned, POTUS never actually authorized DCNG, which appears to be a violation of chain of command?
While the President is commander-in-chief, that command is not direct but rather exercised through the SecDef (who was ... completely absent), with operational command authority for the DC Army NG with the Sec Army who ultimately exercised his own judgement/authority and ordered deployment after being called directly by Congress for aid (with troops finally on site several hours later)
Emergency aid should have been prepped in advance and coordinated by Capitol Police - which apparently never actually happened
 

Dave_5k

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Haven't seen this posted, here's the Department of Defense's version of the story and timeline, put out by their press:

1:34pm Mayor Bowser requests assistance from Sec Army
1:49pm USCP requests immediate assistance from DC NG
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3:00pm Sec Def and Sec Army "determines" all available DC NG forces to move to Capitol
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3:32pm Sec Def verbally authorizes mobilization of DC NG
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5:40pm National Guard arrive at Capitol complex

Other news sources:
1:10pm Rioters begin grappling with Capitol Police on steps of US Capitol
1:26pm USCP order evacuation of Library of Congress, Madison Building and Cannon House Office Building on Independence Avenue across from the Capitol
1:40pm Mayor Bowser orders curfew at 6pm
2:11pm Rioters breach outer perimeter (outside base of capitol steps)
2:22pm Mike Pence escorted out of Senate (by Secret Service)
2:44pm shot fired
 
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JEDI

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I have no reason to doubt him. That sound like a reasonable account. He was between a rock and hard place.

Those above him in the chain, that denied his request for NG support, have also resigned (been forced to) and we really need to hear their reasoning and if they were influenced further up the chain.
who above the capitol police chief resigned?
or is the senate and house Sargent at arms above the police chief?
 

guidryp

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DEMOCRACY... was fun while it lasted.
And.... if these radicals actually were successful in killing Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence and killing every single anti Trump person out there, then what? With a government by the radicals and for the radicals, a government by the hate and for the hate, how long could they possibly last before self imploding? Seriously... when you have so many different hate groups coming together for a common cause, as they did on January 6th, they eventually must separate back into their own ideological tribes...
It would be a small number of days before the purges began.

Mike Pence was his Staunch Ally for 4 years, and refuses to do something with no legal basis in reality (reject the final confirmation), so Trump literally sends a murderous Mob after him.

Don't just watch the clips of Trumps "Rally". Read a transcript. Its four hours of brain washing about the stolen election, and how we aren't going to take it, and how we must fight, where he names Pence several times as the target, then he unleashes them.

It's no coincidence that some were chanting "Hang Pence".

Look at Trump Mob that hounded Lindsey Graham during his short break-up with Trump. He quickly came crawling back to get back in his good graces. The pathetic excuse for a human being, learned the wrong lesson. His take away should have been, that he made a terrible mistake contributing to something monstrous, that could turn on anyone. Instead he learned, he should keep helping Trump do something monstrous, so it isn't turned on him. Fucking Coward.

If Trump actually succeeded in Coup, there would be no rules other than his whims, and his whims are absolute loyalty or your are as good as dead, and heck even if you are loyal, you go under the bus, if it's convenient, as his loyalists that stormed the Capitol are learning. It would have been horrific.

I don't think I will ever be able to fully comprehend how, so many people fell under the sway of these monsters led by Trump.
 

shortylickens

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As time goes on more and more officials are gonna try to downplay what happened, and offer up obviously false explanations.

Don't let them get away with it. Most of them are actually trying to protect their careers, and possibly set up an early defense if they ever have to see a courtroom.
 
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