US ‘Haunted by spreading guns’ and Racial Discrimination: Chinese Human Rights Report

[unokitty]

China becomes world's largest economy. For the first time in 142 years, USA second…

China enjoyed three decades of double-digit growth before the global downturn, as industrialization and sweeping economic reforms created a new powerhouse in the East.

Growth has slowed in recent years but remains strong by Western standards with the IMF forecasting expansion of 7.4 per cent this year and 7.1 per cent in 2015.

By contrast, the IMF is predicting growth of just 2.2 per cent in the US this year ....

For the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president, America is not the leading economic power on the planet...

The International Monetary Fund recently released the latest numbers for the world economy. And when you measure national economic output in “real” terms of goods and services, China will this year produce $17.6 trillion — compared with $17.4 trillion for the U.S.A.

As recently as 2000, we produced nearly three times as much as the Chinese.

For the last 12 years, China has been expanding their economy and building their middle class. In contrast, the US has been waging war in the Middle East.

Currently, US is bombing Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. US operates lethal drone programs in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan. And lets not even mention the 2011 'leading from behind' bombing campaign in Libya.

US has plenty of money for bombs, for the middle class not so much. US Middle Class is shrinking and inequality is growing.

Imagine: 150 years have passed since the American Civil War ended, and only now has a national debate begun over whether some of the symbols of the South are inappropriate...

How is it that for many politicians and American citizens, this flag has only now become a little embarrassing?

...Every nation has dark spots in its past, and nowhere are those spots darker than in Germany. However, the greatness of a country is reflected in how it deals with this past and whether it critically examines it. In this respect, the United States is not the great nation it believes itself to be.

Still, the USA leads the world in some areas. For example, “The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high, upwards of 300 million...,” (NRA Institute for Legislative Action in a firearms safety fact sheet Jan. 17, 2013).

Its true that China has used violence to control its citizens. But its also true that US Police, aided by surplus war fighting equipment, uses violence to control its citizens.

Current 2015 Medal Standings
US wins Silver Medal, behind China, for the size of its economy.
US wins Gold Medal for bomber and drone killings.
US wins Gold for number of privately owned weapons.
No medal for shrinking middle class.
No medal in racial equality.

Twelve years of Middle East War supplemented with ongoing bombings in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and drone killings in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan doesn't sound like moral superiority to me...

Neither does a shrinking middle class and expanding racial turmoil...

As always, you are free to think differently.

Uno

 

[TheSlamma]

China becomes world's largest economy. For the first time in 142 years, USA second…

For the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president, America is not the leading economic power on the planet...


For the last 14 years, while China has been expanding their economy and building their middle class. In contrast, the US has been waging war in the Middle East.

Currently, US is bombing Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. US operates lethal drone programs in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan. And lets not even mention the 2011 'leading from behind' bombing campaign in Libya.

US has plenty of money for bombs, for the middle class not so much. US Middle Class is shrinking and inequality is growing.


Still, the USA leads the world in some areas. For example, “The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high, upwards of 300 million...,” (NRA Institute for Legislative Action in a firearms safety fact sheet Jan. 17, 2013).

Its true that China has used violence to control its citizens. But its also true that US Police, aided by surplus war fighting equipment, uses violence to control its citizens.

Current 2015 Medal Standings
US wins Silver Medal, behind China, for the size of its economy.
US wins Gold Medal for bomber and drone killings.
US wins Gold for number of privately owned weapons.
No medal for shrinking middle class.
No medal in racial equality.

Fourteen years of Middle East War supplemented with ongoing bombings in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and drone killings in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan doesn't sound like moral superiority to me...

Neither does a shrinking middle class and expanding racial turmoil...

Nonetheless, you are free to think differently.

Uno

I think you should move there man. It sounds like a good fit for you, not kidding either, I think you should move there and make a living.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Theirs and every other religions hocus pocus laws do not belong in the 21st century court system.

Countries in Europe such as the freedom loving Netherlands are also taking the same measures.

Just another example of why too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyya

After you got rid of all the Christians, Jews and Muslims who use religious courts.
Do you think you will live in a much cleaner better America?

 

[TheSlamma]

After you got rid of all the Christians, Jews and Muslims who use religious courts.
Do you think you will live in a much cleaner better America?

Besides you, who said anything about getting rid of those people?

I said get rid of their LAWS in our courts.. way to twist it though.



My turn to ask a question. Do you support the way Sharia law unequally supports women? This answer should be another classic.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Besides you, who said anything about getting rid of those people?

I said get rid of their LAWS in our courts.. way to twist it though.

If the people can not practice their religion the way they chose, they will have to leave.
I'm not twisting anything, one thing leads to another, your just ignorant of the steps
That's the way it works, your founding fathers knew this.
It's the same if you want to ban kosher or halal food or circumcision

My turn to ask a question. Do you support the way Sharia law unequally supports women? This answer should be another classic.

I may not like a lot of things, I would fight you all the way on your trying to ban the things you don't like though
See, the thing about living in a free society is that you have to live with some things you don't like
It's really not all a bed of roses

 

[unokitty]

I think you should move there man. It sounds like a good fit for you, not kidding either, I think you should move there and make a living.

No need for me to earn a living. I'm already eligible to retire. Between my pension and my investments, I'll do okay anywhere in the world.

For me, both Chiang Mai Thailand and Nha Trang Vietnam have some appeal. And I still have good memories from when I lived in Japan.

On the other hand, you, citizen, need to keep working and paying taxes. Wars are expensive.

Likewise, presidential campaigns are expensive. If citizens like you don't pay taxes, how are the politicians going to reward the special interest groups that fund their campaign?

Uno

 

[TheSlamma]

If the people can not practice their religion the way they chose, they will have to leave.
I'm not twisting anything, one thing leads to another, your just ignorant of the steps
That's the way it works, your founding fathers knew this.
It's the same if you want to ban kosher or halal food or circumcision

Again spin zone, I'm not banning circumcision or halal food, you are doing the hyperbole dance. For the third and final time this is about our courts.

Muslims, Christians, Atheists and Jews can be tried in our courts for the laws of our land all EQUALLY.

I may not like a lot of things, I would fight you all the way on your trying to ban the things you don't like though
See, the thing about living in a free society is that you have to live with some things you don't like
It's really not all a bed of roses

Women's equality is what I'm fighting for and you are figthing me on it.. Okay at least we know now.

 

[TheSlamma]

No need for me to earn a living. I'm already eligible to retire. Between my pension and my investments, I'll do okay anywhere in the world.

Typical AT poster

For me, both Chiang Mai Thailand and Nha Trang Vietnam have some appeal.

Yeah I bet they do D:

On the other hand, you, citizen, need to keep working and paying taxes. Wars are expensive.

I'm here on AT also, we're all zillionaries didn't you know?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Muslims, Christians, Atheists and Jews can be tried in our courts for the laws of our land all EQUALLY.

Ya..no I don't think you can get them to change their religious beliefs

Women's equality is what I'm fighting for and you are figthing me on it.. Okay at least we know now.

In several different threads, I get called a feminist, like it's a swear word
Your in the right place anyways, you have your work cut out for you
Most of your fight is going to be against atheists here though

 

[VirtualLarry]

Chinese middle class also is at a different stage of development. Many Chinese want appliances and basic TV sets to fill their first apartments. Chinese on average also save more than 30% of household income, vastly more than Americans...

China has Asia's and perhaps the world's liveliest ecommerce growth

It's clear that China's middle class is expanding and that the country's quality of life is also improving.

Contrast that with the declining US Middle Class.

Not to imply that China's government is in any way perfect or above criticism. It's not.

Still, given all of the US Economic and Racial problems, it may not be as prudent as it once was to assume that the US is morally superior.

Uno

Hardly surprising to see their middle-class improving, and ours declining, when our big corporations shipped most of the jobs overseas, and to chinese mfg plants.

What I don't understand, is why. If the wonderful USA allowed those corporations to grow and become successful here in the USA, then why would they "desert" this nation, and set up shop in a foreign country, one that doesn't respect human rights, nor the intellectual-property rights of companies, and could, and probably has, decided to nationalize the production of some of their goods, and kicked them back out of the country, when it's most profitable for China to do so.

 

[ivwshane]

Hardly surprising to see their middle-class improving, and ours declining, when our big corporations shipped most of the jobs overseas, and to chinese mfg plants.

What I don't understand, is why. If the wonderful USA allowed those corporations to grow and become successful here in the USA, then why would they "desert" this nation, and set up shop in a foreign country, one that doesn't respect human rights, nor the intellectual-property rights of companies, and could, and probably has, decided to nationalize the production of some of their goods, and kicked them back out of the country, when it's most profitable for China to do so.

Was that a rhetorical question?

 

[TheSlamma]

Hardly surprising to see their middle-class improving, and ours declining, when our big corporations shipped most of the jobs overseas, and to chinese mfg plants.

What I don't understand, is why. If the wonderful USA allowed those corporations to grow and become successful here in the USA, then why would they "desert" this nation, and set up shop in a foreign country, one that doesn't respect human rights, nor the intellectual-property rights of companies, and could, and probably has, decided to nationalize the production of some of their goods, and kicked them back out of the country, when it's most profitable for China to do so.

1: Instant gradification
2: Insane profit margins that have now became the "standard" to get any investors interested.

Once the Chinese figure out they are human beings and they actually fight for the rights to be treated like them, our corporations will find another set of cheap/near slave like labor to build our BS for us.

 

[fskimospy]

China becomes world's largest economy. For the first time in 142 years, USA second… For the first time since Ulysses S. Grant was president, America is not the leading economic power on the planet...
For the last 12 years, China has been expanding their economy and building their middle class. In contrast, the US has been waging war in the Middle East.

Currently, US is bombing Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. US operates lethal drone programs in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan. And lets not even mention the 2011 'leading from behind' bombing campaign in Libya.

US has plenty of money for bombs, for the middle class not so much. US Middle Class is shrinking and inequality is growing.
Still, the USA leads the world in some areas. For example, “The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high, upwards of 300 million...,” (NRA Institute for Legislative Action in a firearms safety fact sheet Jan. 17, 2013).

Its true that China has used violence to control its citizens. But its also true that US Police, aided by surplus war fighting equipment, uses violence to control its citizens.

Current 2015 Medal Standings
US wins Silver Medal, behind China, for the size of its economy.
US wins Gold Medal for bomber and drone killings.
US wins Gold for number of privately owned weapons.
No medal for shrinking middle class.
No medal in racial equality.

Twelve years of Middle East War supplemented with ongoing bombings in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and drone killings in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan doesn't sound like moral superiority to me...

Neither does a shrinking middle class and expanding racial turmoil...

As always, you are free to think differently.

Uno

China is not the world's largest economy in any way that matters to other countries. It's not even particularly close. (The U.S. is close to double China's size)

PPP calculations are very useful for comparing quality of life between countries. They are not useful for comparing market power.

 

[unokitty]

People around the world, especially in Europe, are convinced that China “will eventually replace or already has replaced the US as the leading superpower”...

A former high-ranking member of a European government recently told me about his recurring nightmare. Here’s how he described it: northern Europe turns brown (far right); southern Europe turns red (far left); in the west, Britain falls out of the EU; and in the east, Russia runs over everyone. He could have added: China overtakes the US and runs the world. If you think this scenario is far-fetched, you are in the minority. People almost everywhere are anticipating a major reshuffle of the cards on the global stage. Whether that happens, how and when, will be the defining factors of our age.

These perceptions jump out from a recent Pew Research Center report examining the state of global opinion about the US, China and the international balance of power. According to the survey, people around the world, especially in Europe, are convinced that China “will eventually replace or already has replaced the US as the leading superpower”...

The survey shows that 59% of Britons and Germans hold the view that China will dominate the globe or already does. Of the French, 66% agree, as well as 60% of Spaniards, 57% of Italians and 46% of Poles. In Asia, opinions are mixed. Of the Chinese, 67% agree their country will be the No 1 superpower or has already risen to that level; 66% of Australians expect China to reach that rank, as do 59% of South Koreans and 53% of Pakistanis...

China has bided its time and developed its economy at record speed in recent decades. Now, according to its leader, Xi Jinping, it aims for a “Chinese restoration”. That will breed tensions, just as Germany’s rise in the late 19th century, challenging other European powers, did. Experts say that in the next decade or so, China will become the No 1 economic power, but it still remains far behind the US in military terms. This is a long game.

"If there's one thing we should have learned over the past 13 years of war, it's that war is good business for those in the business of war. Unfortunately, while profits for the Pentagon's contractors increase, so does the cost to taxpayers in billions in waste, fraud, and abuse."

The war's continuation is understandable in the context of the US's "legal but corrupt system of campaign finance."

Special interest groups, like the war profiteers, are the people that finance US elections. So, of course, the middle class is declining. You can think that your vote is important but the reality is without financing from the special interests, no politician is going to get elected.

So the US has been devoting resources to war. And China has been devoting resources to building their middle class.

The whole world can see the results.

Uno

 

[Genx87]

China cant even leave their own waters but they are replacing the United States as the worlds superpower? Ok.....

If China can enact the kind of changes required to become the worlds economic superpower then yes, they can replace the United States. But that would require the govt give up far more control than they have now. That would require they clean up corruption. They would also need to enact IP law to become a true innovator.

If China gets to that point and decides to flex their muscles. I have a feeling Russia will be in for a world of hurt. Lots of natural resources in the East that China should desire to expand. Given the Russian performance against the hapless Ukrainians. It wont end well for them going up against the Chinese.

 

[Blanky]

According to the survey, people around the world, especially in Europe, are convinced that China “will eventually replace or already has replaced the US as the leading superpower”...

A pretty damn stupid question actually. It's like if I ask everybody:

"Do you believe you are dead or that you are going to die?"

100% of people should say yes. But the question is stupid.

China might very well become the world's super power in a few decades, sure it's not possible to say no. But is it now? Obviously not. Its economy is much smaller than the US', its military is wildly less capable, with no meaningful reach (US Navy is absolutely kick ass), and it has massively less sway in the UN, EU, or pretty much everywhere.

So clearly China hasn't replaced the US as a superpower. It's a joke isn't it.

You can think that your vote is important but the reality is without financing from the special interests, no politician is going to get elected.

Yes, China is the world's leading democracy. Never mind it's clearly more corrupt than the US:
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014

and still regularly arrests people for political dissent.

I think you're doubling down and you're becoming more desperate with your comparisons, which is making them less convincing.

 

[Svnla]

People around the world, especially in Europe, are convinced that China “will eventually replace or already has replaced the US as the leading superpower

Let see.

Property bubble = http://fortune.com/2015/01/21/china-economy-growth-slowdown/

Extreme pollution = https://www.google.com/search?q=goo...BA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#tbm=isch&q=china+pollution

Poverty (less than $1 USD/day) = http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/...82-million-chinese-live-on-less-than-1-a-day/

Running out of water = http://www.economist.com/news/china...ments-remedies-are-potentially-disastrous-all

Running out of girls/women = http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-running-out-of-women/

and so much more to list.

That's why the chinese rich are running away from china as fast as they could = http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/2014/02/06/china-wealthy-move/. And where do they want to go? Evil imperialist countries their government love to bash such as US/UK/Australia/Canada. LOL. I do not see any rich folks from US/developed countries move to china to live anytime soon.

I will put my money on the US anytime.

 

[unokitty]

...So clearly China hasn't replaced the US as a superpower...

Currently, US is bombing Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan.
How many countries is China bombing?

US operating drone programs in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan.
In how many countries is China operating drones?

In the Middle East War, US Special Interests have made billions, the US economy, and the US middle class not so much...

Measuring gross domestic product using purchasing power parity (PPPs) the International Monetary Fund now estimates China’s GDP at $17.6tn, against the US’s $17.4tn...

In 1980 Chinese economic output was a tenth of the US. Four decades on, the IMF estimates that China’s economy will be 20 per cent larger than the US.

China’s average growth in GDP from 1980 to this year has been an astonishing 9.8 per cent per year, compared with 2.7 per cent in the US...

If it makes you feel better, you can quible about the IMFs caculations...

But the whole world can see what is happening to the economies of both country’s ...

Uno

 

[fskimospy]

Nobody is quibbling with the IMF's calculations, I'm just telling you that PPP is not a good measure of comparative economic power. For purposes of international interaction the U.S. economy is much much larger than China's.

 

[Svnla]

Currently, US is bombing Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan.
How many countries is China bombing?

China is no angel, the red line is what china is claiming as its own, imagine the US would do that in Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean Sea =

Philippines people are nervous = http://www.cbsnews.com/news/filipin...tory-pag-asa-south-china-sea/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

I do not need to remind anyone about china used intimidation to take Scarborough Shoal from Philippines recently and used deadly force to invade and take parts of Spratlys in 1988 and the whole Paracels in 1974 from Vietnam. China is also banning fishing in the whole sea area (South china Sea) for everyone except chinese. It captured and then demanded ransom (fine) money from poor fishermen in the neighborhood. China is itching for a fight with Japan at Senkaku Islands, it is building faked islands to take control of the whole sea area = http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...icial-islands-on-reefs-claimed-by-philippines

and so on.

Also, don't forget about how china swallowed Tibet, East Turk (Xinjiang), Inner Mongolia and clashed at the border with Vietnam in 1979 and India in 1962.

 

[Blanky]

Currently, US is bombing Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan.
How many countries is China bombing?

US operating drone programs in Somilia, Yemen, and Pakistan.
In how many countries is China operating drones?

In the Middle East War, US Special Interests have made billions, the US economy, and the US middle class not so much...
If it makes you feel better, you can quible about the IMFs caculations...

But the whole world can see what is happening to the economies of both country’s ...

Uno

So my argument that the US is more of a superpower than china prompts you to retort by showing some examples of ways that the US is exerting its power from afar which China isn't. That is the very definition of a superpower.

Your thread started out questionable but now has gotten silly. Your quote from Eisenhower is more applicable to china, a country which is increasing its military spending and yet has way, way more impoverished people than the US. Oh and yet the US still way outspends china on military. Why? Because it is the only superpower.


Do you get your news from RT or something?

 

[StrangerGuy]

How rich, when this is coming from a country who couldn't even give a tiny island called Hong Kong their citizen voting rights as promised.

 

[jana519]

Let see.

Property bubble = http://fortune.com/2015/01/21/china-economy-growth-slowdown/

Extreme pollution = https://www.google.com/search?q=goo...BA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#tbm=isch&q=china+pollution

Poverty (less than $1 USD/day) = http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/...82-million-chinese-live-on-less-than-1-a-day/

Running out of water = http://www.economist.com/news/china...ments-remedies-are-potentially-disastrous-all

Running out of girls/women = http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-running-out-of-women/

and so much more to list.

That's why the chinese rich are running away from china as fast as they could = http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/2014/02/06/china-wealthy-move/. And where do they want to go? Evil imperialist countries their government love to bash such as US/UK/Australia/Canada. LOL. I do not see any rich folks from US/developed countries move to china to live anytime soon.

I will put my money on the US anytime.

In all of your posts on China in this thread you sound like a typical dumbass American, ignorant and unaware of the complex realities and cultures of foreign countries, except for what he consumes in mainstream American media. Yeah, you sure know a lot about China, buddy.

 

[ivwshane]

In all of your posts on China in this thread you sound like a typical dumbass American, ignorant and unaware of the complex realities and cultures of foreign countries, except for what he consumes in mainstream American media. Yeah, you sure know a lot about China, buddy.

Don't worry, he's just as ignorant about the US as well

 

[Svnla]

In all of your posts on China in this thread you sound like a typical dumbass American, ignorant and unaware of the complex realities and cultures of foreign countries, except for what he consumes in mainstream American media. Yeah, you sure know a lot about China, buddy.

Do you have any rebuttal about my post/links? Well? Of course not, can't dispute the facts, pull the insulting card. And who is the ignorant one again?How about you move to china and live as animals in filth as one of my many links above and enjoy the "complex realities and cultures". <snickering>

Oh, a few of my links were from other countries, not just from American media. Liar!!!

Here for you = http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...ost-polluted-city-air-pollution-beijing-hebei

and http://www.theguardian.com/cities/g...ion-problem-impacts-on-its-people-in-pictures

Keep breathing those polluted air and drinking those dirty water, comrade.

Don't worry, he's just as ignorant about the US as well

Look who is talking.