Does anyone know how to upscale a DVD to HD resolution for a better picture? I just got a 2405FPW 24" Dell LCD monitor and I wanted to know if upscaling to a higher resolution was possible. I've read that using Dscaler or FFdshow or Zoom Player or some combination of tools, that it can be done.
Upscale a DVD to HD resolution?
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Lifer
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Can not be done. Repeat can not be done. Impossible to make signal quality where signal quality is not, i.e GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).
However, there are things that can be done to clean up the signal and add filters and such. First off I would calibrate the set using AVIA or whatever calibration disc you want. If you have some more cash, get the Pantone calibration system (I assume by your post you are using a PC to drive the LCD). I bought it and it makes a huge difference. Enough for my technophobe girlfried to say "wow." If you want to spend even more then get is ISF calibrated.
It amuses me that people (not referring to anyone in this thread) are looking for the best possible signal, but fail to calibrate their display. IMO that makes much more of a difference.
I am using MCE2005 with the nVidia codecs, with an ATI x800 (works just fine). I have tried ffdshow and zoomplayer in the day, and it was not point click watch. That was important to me because other people used the computer to watch DVDs. That setup with a Pantone calibrated display looks awesome. I am using a 1920x1080 display.
Next step I am going to do is download the free trial of TheaterTek. It may offer better filters.
Welcome to tweaking hell.
Liver
Unfortunately, people like you post. Youre wrong--plain and simple. Of course you are not going to be able to exactly estimate the value, but its not random either. Ever hear of demosaicing, deinterlacing, or any related topics? You would be surpirsed how well some of these algorithms work.
Nah. You may think that by doing all the hocus pocus you are getting a terrific image, but self delusion is the name. I agree that you will get a better image, but HD or close to HD or close to 1920x1200? Nah. I agree that you can improve the image, but to what realistic extent? Emphasis on the realistic.
People like you post these awesome differences, but they only exist in your own head. Hey, if that makes you happy, please continue.
Most people would have read the entire post. All your suggestions add their inherent bias to the signal. Yes, it can look better, and I have stated that with my suggestion of TheaterTek, especially with the release of v2.1 now v2.2. Suggestions were made to point the OP in the right direction.
Yes, I have experimented with them. I micro soldered a capture board 2 years ago to work with DScaler / FFDShow combination (check my posts at AVSForum from 2-3 years ago). When it worked it was amazing. Now some other software players / new codec can approximate what I had, but with no hassle.
If I was to A / B testing I would be able to tell the difference. I could tell the slight difference in still / frame to frame advancement, but who watches a movie that way?
I contend that getting a properly calibrated display and using a good front end and decoder would be hard to differentiate from a fully tweaked rig for DVDs by a majority of people.
Seriously how many times have you made a huge change for a much better picture (that you are convinced of), and your GF / wife can not tell the difference?
Thanks guys for all the suggestions. I'm currently working to try to get TheaterTek + FFDshow to upres but I'm hoping to finally be able to use SageTV + FFDshow to upres within SageTV. I'll post again if I have any success.
Dood, this is my area of expertise--its what i do and i have a phd. I dont use hacky software for this, i write my own--again its what i do. These differnces do not exsit in my head, they are quantified.
d00d I have a phd I r the smartest man ! :roll:
Like he said, GIGO! I play my movies through my HTPC at 720p and the only difference I see from that and a 480p DVD player? No overscan =p
Seriously, it's people like you who convince poor saps to spend $100 on a 5' Component Monster Cable cause the difference will be like night and day!!!!
Like he said, GIGO! I play my movies through my HTPC at 720p and the only difference I see from that and a 480p DVD player? No overscan =p
Seriously, it's people like you who convince poor saps to spend $100 on a 5' Component Monster Cable cause the difference will be like night and day!!!!
Todd33
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Lets see bluring, noise reduction, upscaling, etc. Those all sound like types of filters, I see no reference to anything beyond that in any ffdshow docs. Most people just set it to oversharpen, they think it looks better, but it's still just lipstick on a pig.
If you were referring to your links above, which were interesting, but after my post and look unrelated to ffdshow.
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The question isn't upscaling it to HD definitions or adding information to low resolution material, its simply how do I setup my PC to display 480i material on a DVD to display on my LCD with a native resolution of 1920x1200. You are limited by the source material, and the display...what you do inbetween makes the difference.
I think its pretty obvious that you'll want to rely on the scaling and deinterlacing capability of your graphics card rather than than the scaling of the display. The results you get will depend on the graphics hardware and the software you use.
I think its pretty obvious that you'll want to rely on the scaling and deinterlacing capability of your graphics card rather than than the scaling of the display. The results you get will depend on the graphics hardware and the software you use.
abaez, what do you set the upscale resolution to? I'm experimenting with 1440x960, 1800x1200, and even 1920x1280. I think I'm either going to have to get a more powerful video card or a more powerful processor to do this right (don't laugh, I've got an Athlon 2500+ with a 32mb Geforce2 GTS).
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