UPS Brokerage Fees WTF?!?! *resolved!*

clickynext

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I recently ordered a $50 item from a store in America and it was shipped promptly by UPS to my home in Canada, for a $15 shipping fee. So far so good.

Today I come home to a notice on my door that says they made a delivery attempt, and want $42.77 for a "Brokerage C.O.D." I look online and apparently this is a common thing for UPS. They ship things for an apparently reasonable price, and then when the package gets there, they demand a lot more money. Most people just give in because they're holding your package hostage. The fee isn't duty; the item is made in America. The fee isn't tax; else it would have said so, and tax doesn't add up to almost 100% the cost of the item. As far as I can tell, the fee is just pure BS that UPS charges because they think they can get away with it.

Maybe, just maybe this would be acceptable if either the store or UPS made it clear to me BEFORE I ordered, what I would be charged, but I had no idea about this. I paid $15 for shipping, I expect that shipping fee to include all the money it takes to get the package from the vendor to me. I am seriously shocked that they are doing this. This situation is no different from me going into a local store, handing my money over to buy something, the clerk putting it into a bag, and then asking me for more money before giving me either the product or my money back. It's daylight robbery.

I don't have a lot of time for this right now but I'm going to hopefully get in contact with UPS, as well as the vendor and see what we can work out. I'd hate to trouble the vendor because their service was pretty quick, but there is no way I'm going to hand over my money for this. I've shipped from the US and the UK before, and never had to pay any bogus fees like this, but then again I've never used UPS to ship. I'm wondering if the vendor is even aware that their Canadian customers are getting screwed.

If anyone has any thoughts on this, please comment!
 

clickynext

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Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Blame the Govt. - not UPS.
As I said, it's not duty; the product is made in America. (See NAFTA) And it's not a tax either because UPS would have listed it as such, and tax for a $50 item is not $42.

Just seeing that site now, I guess the service I used, "UPS Standard" is the only one to charge this fee. After it's applied, my one week long delivery cost as much as the next day service. And they never contacted me; I was never given the option to clear customs myself either. They just did it for me and expect me to pay for their "service".

As far as I know, UPS is the only courier that charges this. USPS didn't charge me. Canadapost didn't charge me. I'm pretty sure FedEx didn't either.
 

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It's not duty or taxes, it's a UPS fee. They basically assign your package to a "broker", who has to submit it to Canadian customs to decide if it needs to be taxed at the border or not. This service is what costs you $42 or whatever. It's a complete ripoff, and they will not refund it at all, no matter how hard you try.

When I moved up to Canada, the shipping of my personal belongings was covered under a certain policy that exempted them from any duty or taxes, as long as I put a specific number on the shipping labels for customs to see. I did, and they didn't charge me anything, but UPS still charged me the brokerage fee, PER PACKAGE.

Ship USPS/Canadapost from now on, they will not charge this fee, even if you end up having to pay customs fees.
 

clickynext

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Update! I finally got my package!

Basically what I had to do was go to the UPS office, wait in line for like half an hour (even though there were only 3 people in front of me) then wait another half an hour for my paperwork to be prepared. And then I went to Canada customs and they just looked at the papers for about two seconds, said I didn't have to pay any taxes/duties/fees and sent me on my way. When I got back to UPS I had to wait another 15 minutes in line to hand them the papers and pick up the package.

So basically their $43 brokerage fee was 100% crap. No wonder they're being sued for it right now.

The Customs Act in Canada says that for a broker to import an item on a customer's behalf, they must have written permission to give the broker power of attorney. UPS certainly did not have that from me. I'm not sure how they were able to clear the package initially, before they somehow undid the stuff so that I could go do it myself. The legality is really questionable to me. But I don't think I'll pursue it further. Suffice it to say I won't ship with UPS again unless absolutely necessary.
 

I Saw OJ

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I had to ship some car parts to a guy up in the Great White North. He insisted I used USPS not UPS because UPS charges him an arm and a leg. I now see why.
 

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Just a little FYI to anyone here thinking about shipping an item to Canada; if the buyer doesn't pay the brokerage fee (like clickynext avoided doing), UPS (or FedEx) will go after the shipper for the fee.

Avoid UPS/FedEx at all costs when shipping to Canada.
 

clickynext

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just a little FYI to anyone here thinking about shipping an item to Canada; if the buyer doesn't pay the brokerage fee (like clickynext avoided doing), UPS (or FedEx) will go after the shipper for the fee.

Avoid UPS/FedEx at all costs when shipping to Canada.
I doubt they will go after the shipper for the fee in this case. Since I dealt with customs myself, their 'broker' didn't do a thing. I think allowing people to clear customs themselves is a new thing for UPS. Probably in response to being sued, to try to cover their asses.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: clickynext
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just a little FYI to anyone here thinking about shipping an item to Canada; if the buyer doesn't pay the brokerage fee (like clickynext avoided doing), UPS (or FedEx) will go after the shipper for the fee.

Avoid UPS/FedEx at all costs when shipping to Canada.
I doubt they will go after the shipper for the fee in this case. Since I dealt with customs myself, their 'broker' didn't do a thing. I think allowing people to clear customs themselves is a new thing for UPS. Probably in response to being sued, to try to cover their asses.

If the receiver refuses to pay for the brokerage fees, they do go after the sender. I had a similar problem here with a trade. I never received the Fedex brokerage fee mail, and apparently they went straight after the sender without a second notice. I got a PM one day from the sender like a year after the trade, and he was getting harassed by Fedex for it.
 

clickynext

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: clickynext
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just a little FYI to anyone here thinking about shipping an item to Canada; if the buyer doesn't pay the brokerage fee (like clickynext avoided doing), UPS (or FedEx) will go after the shipper for the fee.

Avoid UPS/FedEx at all costs when shipping to Canada.
I doubt they will go after the shipper for the fee in this case. Since I dealt with customs myself, their 'broker' didn't do a thing. I think allowing people to clear customs themselves is a new thing for UPS. Probably in response to being sued, to try to cover their asses.

If the receiver refuses to pay for the brokerage fees, they do go after the sender. I had a similar problem here with a trade. I never received the Fedex brokerage fee mail, and apparently they went straight after the sender without a second notice. I got a PM one day from the sender like a year after the trade, and he was getting harassed by Fedex for it.

Yeah, in that situation I can see it happening, but to my understanding, in my case the whole thing is resolved and because I didn't receive the services that would warrant being charged those fees.
 

intogamer

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Originally posted by: clickynext
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: clickynext
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just a little FYI to anyone here thinking about shipping an item to Canada; if the buyer doesn't pay the brokerage fee (like clickynext avoided doing), UPS (or FedEx) will go after the shipper for the fee.

Avoid UPS/FedEx at all costs when shipping to Canada.
I doubt they will go after the shipper for the fee in this case. Since I dealt with customs myself, their 'broker' didn't do a thing. I think allowing people to clear customs themselves is a new thing for UPS. Probably in response to being sued, to try to cover their asses.

If the receiver refuses to pay for the brokerage fees, they do go after the sender. I had a similar problem here with a trade. I never received the Fedex brokerage fee mail, and apparently they went straight after the sender without a second notice. I got a PM one day from the sender like a year after the trade, and he was getting harassed by Fedex for it.

Yeah, in that situation I can see it happening, but to my understanding, in my case the whole thing is resolved and because I didn't receive the services that would warrant being charged those fees.

Well thats what YOU say for "services" but UPS says its a brokerage fee ;)

Just think of it as some bogus charge companies do. How else they make money for international packages...