UPI reporting (via CNN) 19 protesters dead in Tehran. Possibly up to 150.

[techs]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/20...an/UPI-70801245493780/

TEHRAN, June 20 (UPI) -- At least 19 people were killed Saturday in clashes between police and protesters in Tehran, hospital sources told CNN.

CNN said there were unconfirmed reports the death toll was much higher, at least 150. Video posted on the Web showed police using nightsticks, water cannon, tear gas and fire hoses, with some footage of protesters who looked like they had been shot.



19 martyrs! Possibly 150 martyrs!
The blood is flowing in Tehran.

I think the most effective method of protest at this point would be a general strike for Monday. If they can get the oil workers to strike I think that might be the last straw.
Even the pro-government supporters would panic if their incomes were suddenly cut off.

Hats off for the patriotic, democracy loving Iranians.
Keep it up. You're gonna love internet pron.

 

[SONYFX]

I have no sympathy.

Those protestors are just a bunch of losers who can't accept the result.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: SONYFX
I have no sympathy.

Those protestors are just a bunch of losers who can't accept the result.

Is this a joke?

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: SONYFX
I have no sympathy.

Those protestors are just a bunch of losers who can't accept the result.

Regardless of the result, a large portion of the country seems to think that there needs to be a significant shift in their internal policy.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/20...an/UPI-70801245493780/

TEHRAN, June 20 (UPI) -- At least 19 people were killed Saturday in clashes between police and protesters in Tehran, hospital sources told CNN.

CNN said there were unconfirmed reports the death toll was much higher, at least 150. Video posted on the Web showed police using nightsticks, water cannon, tear gas and fire hoses, with some footage of protesters who looked like they had been shot.



19 martyrs! Possibly 150 martyrs!
The blood is flowing in Tehran.

I think the most effective method of protest at this point would be a general strike for Monday. If they can get the oil workers to strike I think that might be the last straw.
Even the pro-government supporters would panic if their incomes were suddenly cut off.

Hats off for the patriotic, democracy loving Iranians.
Keep it up. You're gonna love internet pron.

There was an auto union in Iran that went on strike... well a work slowdown, in protest of the government. That's a great idea. It's harder to force people to work than it is to prevent people from protesting.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: SONYFX
I have no sympathy.

Those protestors are just a bunch of losers who can't accept the result.

.......

Trollurker?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/20...an/UPI-70801245493780/

TEHRAN, June 20 (UPI) -- At least 19 people were killed Saturday in clashes between police and protesters in Tehran, hospital sources told CNN.

CNN said there were unconfirmed reports the death toll was much higher, at least 150. Video posted on the Web showed police using nightsticks, water cannon, tear gas and fire hoses, with some footage of protesters who looked like they had been shot.



19 martyrs! Possibly 150 martyrs!
The blood is flowing in Tehran.

I think the most effective method of protest at this point would be a general strike for Monday. If they can get the oil workers to strike I think that might be the last straw.
Even the pro-government supporters would panic if their incomes were suddenly cut off.

Hats off for the patriotic, democracy loving Iranians.
Keep it up. You're gonna love internet pron.

There was an auto union in Iran that went on strike... well a work slowdown, in protest of the government. That's a great idea. It's harder to force people to work than it is to prevent people from protesting.

Agreed. It's vitually impossible to go house to house and drag workers to their jobs.
And you can't arrest all of them, because then there is no one to work.
The big issue is if they can get the oil workers to strike. Without oil money Iran is sunk. And the Ahmacrazyguys supporters have been bought off with oil money. No money, no support.

 

[rubix]

seems to me a good strategy would be to tell family members who have sons in these various police/armies to put pressure on them to disobey their orders. tell them what they are doing is wrong and evil and threaten to disown them.

something like that.

 

[Moonbeam]

The old people are eating their children.

 

[Pocatello]

I don't understand the Iranian government. They doing the same thing the Shah of Iran did years ago. Khamenei himself was a dissident and was nearly killed. Now he's in charge and act as if he's the Shah of Iran.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
I don't understand the Iranian government. They doing the same thing the Shah of Iran did years ago. Khamenei himself was a dissident and was nearly killed. Now he's in charge and act as if he's the Shah of Iran.

Unfortunately it's not that hard.

Hayabusa Rider's First Law of Government:
"The main function of any government is to keep itself in power. That governments are occasionally benign does not make them exceptions"

The clerics seized power to promote government as they see it ought to be. To maintain the control necessary for the status quo, they will attack the very people they might have thought to benefit, if that was ever the case.

It's an old story.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
It's an old story.

That it is.

 

[Paddington]

The impression that I've gotten - which could be wrong - is that Iran's Westernized urban upper middle class which includes these university students (and overwhelmingly, Iranian-Americans that I've met) doesn't much like Ahmadinjad. But he could, and my guess is does, have widespread and strong support amongst the poor and rural classes. You need to take with a grain of salt anything you hear on TV, or even what you hear from Persians living here in the U.S. Maybe 100,000 people are protesting in the street. So what? It's a big country.

Either way, it's a fool's errand for America to interfere in this, especially those folks who haven't even been there yet call their election a "sham".

 

[al981]

Originally posted by: RbSX

Originally posted by: SONYFX
I have no sympathy.

Those protestors are just a bunch of losers who can't accept the result.

Regardless of the result, a large portion of the country seems to think that there needs to be a significant shift in their internal policy.

And an even larger portion of the country feels the current government is more than adequate. put down the protestors :thumbsup: they were given more than enough time to cry.

 

[ZeGermans]

The best part about all this outrage around the world and especially in the US, is that this sample thing has happened to the palestinians day in, day out for years. In fact it's going on right now!

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The best part about all this outrage around the world and especially in the US, is that this sample thing has happened to the palestinians day in, day out for years. In fact it's going on right now!

I assume you mean that Mahmoud Abbas has seized power and won't allow free elections?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The best part about all this outrage around the world and especially in the US, is that this sample thing has happened to the palestinians day in, day out for years. In fact it's going on right now!

I assume you mean that Mahmoud Abbas has seized power and won't allow free elections?

No I think he means Palestinians are killed by other Palestinians on a daily basis.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: al981
And an even larger portion of the country feels the current government is more than adequate.

What are the consequences for saying otherwise?

 

[SickBeast]

IMO they need to create a nation for each religion near their holy grounds. Then all the zealots from each faith can live together and allow the rest of us to carry on the productive work of keeping the world going.

The Iran situation is a serious problem. I personally hope that Amnesty International gets involved in a big way.

It's nice to see the people there fighting for freedom. It's changing my opinion of the place.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IMO they need to create a nation for each religion near their holy grounds. Then all the zealots from each faith can live together and allow the rest of us to carry on the productive work of keeping the world going.

The Iran situation is a serious problem. I personally hope that Amnesty International gets involved in a big way.

It's nice to see the people there fighting for freedom. It's changing my opinion of the place.

What exactly is Amnesty International going to do for the Iranian people?? Start letter writing campaigns??? :roll:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IMO they need to create a nation for each religion near their holy grounds. Then all the zealots from each faith can live together and allow the rest of us to carry on the productive work of keeping the world going.

The Iran situation is a serious problem. I personally hope that Amnesty International gets involved in a big way.

It's nice to see the people there fighting for freedom. It's changing my opinion of the place.

What exactly is Amnesty International going to do for the Iranian people?? Start letter writing campaigns??? :roll:

Seeing as their entire mandate is to protect human rights, I would suggest that they do more than both you and your government are doing right now.

If you think that Amnesty International is ineffective because they build awareness, then you probably think that Greenpeace is ineffective as well, which is not true. For all we know, they could be an integral part in the organization of the protests which are going on.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IMO they need to create a nation for each religion near their holy grounds. Then all the zealots from each faith can live together and allow the rest of us to carry on the productive work of keeping the world going.

The Iran situation is a serious problem. I personally hope that Amnesty International gets involved in a big way.

It's nice to see the people there fighting for freedom. It's changing my opinion of the place.

What exactly is Amnesty International going to do for the Iranian people?? Start letter writing campaigns??? :roll:

Seeing as their entire mandate is to protect human rights, I would suggest that they do more than both you and your government are doing right now.

If you think that Amnesty International is ineffective because they build awareness, then you probably think that Greenpeace is ineffective as well, which is not true. For all we know, they could be an integral part in the organization of the protests which are going on.

ProfJohn and the neo-cons don't like Amnesty International because they've been (rightly) criticizing our human right's abuses.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Phokus
ProfJohn and the neo-cons don't like Amnesty International because they've been (rightly) criticizing our human right's abuses.

What I find incredible is that he has created a PFI thread about someone who bashed human rights, then went on to bash the world's leading human rights organization. :Q

 

[Aimster]

Why did the Shah of Iran collapse?

If you know this then you know why this regime will also collapse, but not tomorrow.

 

[Rezag3000]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Why did despotic governments collapse?

If you know this then you know why this regime will also collapse, but not tomorrow.

Fixed