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Upgrading my computer

staabie66

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Hi brand new to the website and I want to upgrade my computer with some really good parts. Im thinking about upgrading my motherboard and video card. I know a little about computers but not a whole lot. Can anyone reccommend some good parts. Here are my specifications

Gateway 500 Series PC 2700
256 MB Ram ( I just ordered another 512 MB)
Intel Pendleton D845PT Motherboard with 3 PCI and 1 AGP Expansion Slots
NIVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 (Microsoft Corporation) Video Card
Windows XP

Thanks in advance
 
Welcome to AT.

What kind of ram did you just order?

What's your CPU?

Upgrading your motherboard and using the same CPU would give you virtually no performance gain whatsoever.

What's your budget for a new videocard (or budget in general)?
 
I want to play games better and just to have a faster better look computer in general. Im thinking about spending around $400 maybe more. Im running a Intel Pentium 4 2000 MHz
 
I looked all over and couldnt find the AMD 64 route could you tell me a website that has it please. I just wanted to double check to make sure that the AMD 64 route is a video card right?
 
Originally posted by: staabie66
I looked all over and couldnt find the AMD 64 route could you tell me a website that has it please. I just wanted to double check to make sure that the AMD 64 route is a video card right?

hehe... he just meant upgrade your whole computer and use an A64 processor. Route just meaning choice.
 
Thanks for the information I just have a couple of questions im new to this sorry if these questions make me look like an idiot.

What exactly is the A64 2800+ 754, what does it make my computer do.
On the motherboard the USB ports and what not are in a different order then what the case looks like, can i swith the ports around or something, or am I just not looking at something like i should be? (This question really makes me seem like an idiot sorry, its just that i want to make sure i know what im doing)

Thanks for all the help, and once again thank you in advance
 
Originally posted by: staabie66
Thanks for the information I just have a couple of questions im new to this sorry if these questions make me look like an idiot.

What exactly is the A64 2800+ 754, what does it make my computer do.
On the motherboard the USB ports and what not are in a different order then what the case looks like, can i swith the ports around or something, or am I just not looking at something like i should be? (This question really makes me seem like an idiot sorry, its just that i want to make sure i know what im doing)

Thanks for all the help, and once again thank you in advance

The A64 is the processor. Arguably the most essential component in the computer. You've probably heard of a Pentium. That's a different kind of processor. It does all the calculations for the computer and carries out all the instructions.

The motherboard will come with a plate to install that will go around the inputs on the motherboard so it will work in any ATX case.
 
Thanks for the quick response i really appreciate all the help. I think im gonna take your advice and save up some money and do what you told me to do. How do you know all this sort of stuff Iam really into computers and want to learn a lot is there some sort of program, book, or website that will tell me all sorts of things about computers such as the different types of things on a computer, how to build my own computer, different programs, and installing different things?

Thanks
 
I learned practically everything reading the articles here on anandtech and other hardware sites like Tom's hardware. Also reading solutions to problems other people have had helps you know more about solving your own problems etc.

Building a computer on your own is probably the best thing you can do. There's nothing like firsthand experience 🙂
 
wow.. if you really dont have that much of idea on computer components... i'd suggest to seek a in person to person assistance rather than on forum...
we can certainly help u choosing the right components... but..
i wouldn't want u to end up not being able to put together the parts that u purchase...
 
Originally posted by: krnxpride83
wow.. if you really dont have that much of idea on computer components... i'd suggest to seek a person to person assistance rather than on forum...
we can certainly help u choosing the right components... but..
i wouldn't want u to end up not being able to put together the parts that u purchase...

mechBgon to the rescue!!!
 
Originally posted by: krnxpride83
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

mechBgon to the rescue!!!


lol.. that sure seems helpful.. but a real person next to u is the best help! =)

I know from fisthand experience that if you read enough stuff and watch enough guides that you can do it on your own the first time with no help 🙂

I agree that having someone with you is nice, but it's not necessary. I would agree that if somebody doesn't know what a processor is when they see it that they have some reading to do 😉
 
If I do go about building my own computer i just want to make sure i get all the parts i need. So what parts do I need to buy. I know I need a case, processor, motherboard, videocard, and a soundcard. But what other parts do I need?

Thanks
 
Originally posted by: staabie66
I looked all over and couldnt find the AMD 64 route could you tell me a website that has it please. I just wanted to double check to make sure that the AMD 64 route is a video card right?


lol sorry I know you are not computer expert but I can't stop laughing about it. Did you really search for "AMD 64 route" ? No offense

AMD is the current second biggest CPU manufacturer, second to Intel but is catching up quick.

Athlon 64 is the new 64 bit CPU from AMD. It beats Intel processors in every aspect except video editing. It's the best performer in gaming.

So he basically meant "Go for AMD64"

You have to decide which CPU you like to buy. An Athlon 64 3000+ CPU is cheap and offers more than 1.5 (150%) performance of your current CPU. The model name xxxx+ has performance greater than the old generation CPU of xxxxMhz; such as yours. So if you get 3200+ you['d have 3200/2000 = 160% performance gain.


You'd probably like a pair of identical RAM so that it can run dual channel memory (2 memory operating at the same time gives you more performance). The ram must be identical though. So you might order the exact 512MB ram you bought so you can run 2*512 = 1024MB RAM. They have to be DDR Ram though

GPU: (Graphic processing unit = Videocard)
Good graphic cards such as ATi Radeon X800XL would do the job. It's current best price per performance ratio offer.

Motherboard:
For Motherboard grab any nForce 4 ultra chuipset motherboard. Such as DFi LanParty nForce4 Ultra

Sound card:
You can use sound chips on motherboard. If you prefer you can grab a gaming soundcard from Creative.

Others:
You'd definitely need a PSU (Poweer Supply Unit) Your current power supply unit would not do it for the new GPU and CPU. Get a ATX2.01 compatible PSU where the PCI-Express connector and 24-pin motherboard connector are present.


 
A note: As you are so new to computer terms you'd be safer paying someone who's expert in building computers to help you build one. You don't want to see buying wrong components or paying extra for something you don't need; plugging in wrong things into wrong places, etc.

Price note:
CPU + Motherboard + GPU costs around $500
 
If you don't feel confident about building a computer:
www.ibuypower.com
You'l just have to research your parts

But as someone else said, there's nothing like first hand experience.

To start with, you need 9 parts:

1) Processor - This is the first thing you need to pick. I'd recommend you get an AMD Athlon64, as they are cheaper than Intel Pentium 4's and faster. There's something called a Socket, to keep it in simple terms: it's basically the "size" of your processor. The newest Socket size for AMD Athlon64 is 939, the older one was 754. You might save money going on the 754, but the 939 is better for upgradability as it's newer and up to date

2) Motherboard - This is quite a complicated topic. But I'm going to keep it as simple as possible so you can have a basic understanding. You need a motherboard that fits your socket. A motherboard that has a spot for a Socket 754 processor will not fit a Socket 939 processor. What I recommend you to do is do your research on Chipsets. Again, it's a complicated topic for a beginner, but if you ask around, you'll get help.

For beginners, ASUS and Gigabyte tend to be good brand names.

3) RAM - For most games, you need around 512MB to 1GB of RAM. Typically, the more RAM, the better. When you get more advanced, you should do your research on CAS latencies and stuff - but I wouldn't worry about it now.
You should note, that 2 sticks of 512MB ram is faster than 1 stick of 1GB RAM - this is known as Dual Channel.

You should know about the "Big" brands that people tend to buy:
Corsair
Crucial
Kingston

For a beginner, I would stick with these 3.

4) Hard Drive - obviously this determines the amount of space you have. There tend to be brands that are more prone to failure than others. If you search around, it seems as though many people will not recommend Maxtor. Go for Seagate drives with quietness, although I haven't had any problems with Maxtor. Western Digital is also a good brand to choose from, but you can't beat Seagate's 5 year warantees 🙂.

Older drives are known as IDE (or ATA), and newer kind of drives (faster) are known as Serial-ATA (SATA). SATA drives tend to be a bit faster, and they use a different connector.

5) Case - Kind of self explanatory. I won't go in and discuss the cooling performance of cases, but you should know some good brand names:

Antec (Quiet, budget cases)
Lian Li (Quality, expensive Aluminum (lightweight) cases, a bit louder than Antec)
CoolerMaster (Great cooling performance, nice looking as well)

6) Power Supplies. This is somewhat a complicated topic. For a typical mid-range PC, a 350 Watt poer supply should be fine. If you're going for a high-end PC, you might need to get something more powerful.

Just please note one thing,
there are 500W power supplies for $30, and there are 350W power supplies for $70. Be aware of generic brands.

Getting a generic 500W $30 power supply might fry your equipment - try to stick to the big brands.

Antec - Quality budget power supplies. They got some good ones in the upper range
Enermax - I haven't had any experience with them, they seem to be pretty good though

If you ask around, people will give you a whole host of recommendations.

7) Graphics Card - This is where the performance in games come from. ATi and nVidia are the 2 major companies that make graphics cards.

Lemme list some graphics cards.

Low End:
ATI Radeon X300
nVidia geForce 6200

Medium End:
ATi Radeon X600
nVidia geForce 6600

High End:
ATi Radeon X800 XT
nVidia geForce 6800 GT

nVidia cards have the lead right now - they're cheaper and more powerful.

8) CD/DVD Burner - Pretty much self explanatory. Make sure it matches the color of your case

9) Floppy Drive - Self explanatory. Make sure it matches the color of your case

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Stuff you need:
-Monitor
-Keyboard
-Mouse
-Operating System (Windows XP or similar
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I hope that guide helps out a bit.
It's all open to interpretation, feel free to debate it.

Sorry if there were any errors and if I left out any major information/major brands. Typed this in a rush.

I've created a "guide" on this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=27&threadid=1563385&enterthread=y

Oh, one last thing. About places to buy stuff, most people here would recommend
http://www.NewEgg.com.

I hope that helps a bit, even though it was rather "shallow"

-The Pentium Guy
 
Thanks for the help Pentium Guy I have been looking around at parts for a couple of days and I think that I got some good ones could you please tell me if these parts are compatible together, good parts, if i should upgrade any part, and if I need any of these parts. Also do I need to get a sound card? I only ask that because i didnt see it in your post. thanks for the help

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor
GIGABYTE GA-K8NS Ultra-939 ATX AMD Motherboard
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 3.5" IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
CORSAIR 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM System Memory
RAIDMAX Mustang ATX-889WBP Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window
XFX PVT43AND Video Card
LITE-ON Black IDE DVD Burner
Antec SL400 400W Power Supply
SONY MPF920 Black Internal Floppy Drive - OEM

Thanks
 
I agree with some of the previous comments, getting firsthand experience is definitely the best way to learn, just make sure that if there is something you don't understand, ASK. there are always people on these forums that can answer most any question you have.

A few comments about your proposed setup.
1) depending where you buy that case, it may come with a power supply. be careful, you don't want to buy 2. (i know this sounds obvious, but it can be easy to overlook) for example, when i looked that case up on newegg.com, it is listed as coming with a power supply.

2)that video card you have listed is what most would refer to as a Nvidia 6600 GT. a very good choice for a midrange video card for a reasonable price. one thing to understand is that there are many manufacturers that make the "same" video card. quality, warranty, and included software varies with the manufacturer. the card you have listed there is made by XFX.
also, i know this may sound confusing, but there are 2 different types of slots that video cards plug into on your motherboard. the 2 types are AGP and PCI-express. AGP is the older standard, and is slowly fading out of the market. PCI-express is the new up and coming standard, and will leave you with more room for expansion. as it stands now, you have an AGP video card and a motherboard with an AGP slot. they match, that is important. i might, however, reccommend that you upgrade to a PCI-express motherboard, and a PCI-express video card. it will leave you more room for expansion and upgrading in the future.

i hope this makes sense.

p.s. - someone tell me if what i said is unduly confusing and i just don't realize it 🙂
 
I would recommend getting a pci- express mobo and graphic card, like the post above. There will be next generation cards comming out in Q4 of this year, so if you get agp, your upgrade path will probably dissolve.
For the cd drive, most people recommed the NEC 3520A, read anantech's price guides and you'sll see.
Unless you are going to overclock alot, you can save some money by going with the AMD 3000+ processor. The biggest diff between them is the extra multiplier.
Raidmax cases are not very good, so seriously, go for an antec like the slk 3000b.

good luck on your build!
 
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