Upgrading dvd burning/video encoding system cheaply - AMD or INTEL?

[Naruto]

I already have the system setup, it has:

1.6A intel p4 @ 2.33ghz
Epox 4g4a+
512mb DDR333 @ 366mhz
liteon 411s
40gb seagate barracuda IV
geforce 3 ti200 @ ti500 speeds
win xp pro

My bro just got a new barebones laptop/desknote that takes pentium 4 cpu chips. I am giving him my 1.6A p4 in this system. So I need a new p4 cpu, or do I? I realized I can get a cheap amd 2000+ thorton/ecs combo from frys and also get a new mobo since i don't like the ecs board and overclock the he11 out of it, for probably less than $100 total. Or get a faster intel p4 cpu which costs lots of money. If the amd thorton (unlocked to barton) is way slower at encoding/compressing video files like dvd movies than a pentium 4, then I probably won't go that path. I went on ebay looking for some good deals on p4 cpu, but not many. I plan on getting a 2.4b or 2.66 off ebay and overclocking it to around 2.8 - 3.0ghz. I don't need the best encoding system, just a fast one. I wish to spend less than $120 total. I mainly use this system to do these tasks and not gaming as I have another athlon xp 2.2ghz/ gf4 ti4600 for gaming, but it can be used as a lan gaming computer if I have friends over. Thanks.

 

[wicktron]

Intel is better for video encoding.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: wicktron
Intel is better for video encoding.

And nothing beats a P4C, but that would be around a $400 upgrade, since you'd have to buy MUCH faster ram, to be able to overclock it. BTW, the 2.4b's overclock MUCH better than the 2.66's do, and they cost less to boot! That's what I would recommend, in your case.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: wicktron
Intel is better for video encoding.

And nothing beats a P4C, but that would be around a $400 upgrade, since you'd have to buy MUCH faster ram, to be able to overclock it. BTW, the 2.4b's overclock MUCH better than the 2.66's do, and they cost less to boot! That's what I would recommend, in your case.

I agree with that ...My 2.4b hit 3.24ghz w/ 1.6v and many of the clan around here at the time with these c1 stepping chips were in the same ballpark....


However go into mor edtail on the type of applications you will be using..programs specifically....

Going from 3.24 with a p4b to 3.24ghz with my 2.6c was quite large in TMPGenc since it took advantage of hyperthreading inthe application itself..on average of 22% faster. DVDshrink is a bit faster as well (10% or so) and is supposedly HT enabled and helps in the speeding up the deep analysis part according to their website....Pinnacle studio 8.8 is also HT enabled but very little....Divs encoding with 5.10 or newer codecs can run +10% faster as well.....

So that being said.....

I could never get my 2.4b to 3.24ghz on my 4g4a+...that chipset was only good to about 170fsb and then it got flaky....I got an i845pe chipset in the albatron board ans that could take me up to 185fsb easy and my limit was the chip....So in that case you may have to get a new board regardless....a 2.66 may do better on this board just for the fact of the lower fsb....

Another note....Jumping to dual channel ddr can be a nice 5-10% gain as well.....


Cheap defintely goes to AMD here, but are you only going to rasie the multplier with the thornton??? Cause you really are limited by that ram either way, right???

 

[Naruto]

If I went Pentium 4, I would just be looking for a new chip most likely, not into HT or 800fsb or dual channel. I plan to use TMPeng to convert avi to dvd and dvdshrink, but I don't need it to be that fast, just pretty quick. For example when I had the 1.6A in there @ 2.33ghz, it took 40 to 50 mins in dvd shrink to do a deep analysis/compress/encode of a 7gb movie to 4.5gb. It would be nice if a faster p4 chip, I could get that time down to 30 to 40 mins. I probably won't go thorton because it might be more of a gamble.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: wicktron
Intel is better for video encoding.

Yup, A P4 2.8C Ht beats the crap out of my Barton +2500 OC'ed to +3200.
Plain and cold facts.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Naruto
If I went Pentium 4, I would just be looking for a new chip most likely, not into HT or 800fsb or dual channel. I plan to use TMPeng to convert avi to dvd and dvdshrink, but I don't need it to be that fast, just pretty quick. For example when I had the 1.6A in there @ 2.33ghz, it took 40 to 50 mins in dvd shrink to do a deep analysis/compress/encode of a 7gb movie to 4.5gb. It would be nice if a faster p4 chip, I could get that time down to 30 to 40 mins. I probably won't go thorton because it might be more of a gamble.

A P4 is your best bet then.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Naruto
If I went Pentium 4, I would just be looking for a new chip most likely, not into HT or 800fsb or dual channel. I plan to use TMPeng to convert avi to dvd and dvdshrink, but I don't need it to be that fast, just pretty quick. For example when I had the 1.6A in there @ 2.33ghz, it took 40 to 50 mins in dvd shrink to do a deep analysis/compress/encode of a 7gb movie to 4.5gb. It would be nice if a faster p4 chip, I could get that time down to 30 to 40 mins. I probably won't go thorton because it might be more of a gamble.

For a comparison, a Dell 3GHz P4c took 18 minutes 34 seconds to do a deep analysis and encoding of a 6.76GB movie DVD that was already ripped onto the hard drive. Ripping time would depend on the DVD drive that you own.

 

[Naruto]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Naruto
If I went Pentium 4, I would just be looking for a new chip most likely, not into HT or 800fsb or dual channel. I plan to use TMPeng to convert avi to dvd and dvdshrink, but I don't need it to be that fast, just pretty quick. For example when I had the 1.6A in there @ 2.33ghz, it took 40 to 50 mins in dvd shrink to do a deep analysis/compress/encode of a 7gb movie to 4.5gb. It would be nice if a faster p4 chip, I could get that time down to 30 to 40 mins. I probably won't go thorton because it might be more of a gamble.

For a comparison, a Dell 3GHz P4c took 18 minutes 34 seconds to do a deep analysis and encoding of a 6.76GB movie DVD that was already ripped onto the hard drive. Ripping time would depend on the DVD drive that you own.

Wow very nice time..., but I would hate to get a new mobo and a C version p4 just to get that low time.

 

[Naruto]

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Naruto
If I went Pentium 4, I would just be looking for a new chip most likely, not into HT or 800fsb or dual channel. I plan to use TMPeng to convert avi to dvd and dvdshrink, but I don't need it to be that fast, just pretty quick. For example when I had the 1.6A in there @ 2.33ghz, it took 40 to 50 mins in dvd shrink to do a deep analysis/compress/encode of a 7gb movie to 4.5gb. It would be nice if a faster p4 chip, I could get that time down to 30 to 40 mins. I probably won't go thorton because it might be more of a gamble.

For a comparison, a Dell 3GHz P4c took 18 minutes 34 seconds to do a deep analysis and encoding of a 6.76GB movie DVD that was already ripped onto the hard drive. Ripping time would depend on the DVD drive that you own.

Wow very nice time..., but I would hate to get a new 800mhz fsb and a C version p4 just to get that low time.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Naruto

Originally posted by: Accord99

Originally posted by: Naruto
If I went Pentium 4, I would just be looking for a new chip most likely, not into HT or 800fsb or dual channel. I plan to use TMPeng to convert avi to dvd and dvdshrink, but I don't need it to be that fast, just pretty quick. For example when I had the 1.6A in there @ 2.33ghz, it took 40 to 50 mins in dvd shrink to do a deep analysis/compress/encode of a 7gb movie to 4.5gb. It would be nice if a faster p4 chip, I could get that time down to 30 to 40 mins. I probably won't go thorton because it might be more of a gamble.

For a comparison, a Dell 3GHz P4c took 18 minutes 34 seconds to do a deep analysis and encoding of a 6.76GB movie DVD that was already ripped onto the hard drive. Ripping time would depend on the DVD drive that you own.

Wow very nice time..., but I would hate to get a new 800mhz fsb and a C version p4 just to get that low time.

Well remember a few factors in getting those dvdshrink times...

1) shrinking directly from DVD-rom or from ripped files on HDD...HDD version well be faster in almost all cases
2) speed of DVD-rom if using that method....My liteon 16x is much faster doing this then my Poineer DVR-104
3) how much compression??? Less compression faster.....

I would think getting a 2.4b that can do 3.2ghz which would be 40% increase in clock speed should be able to take the 50-40min numbers down 20-25% to te 40-30 min numbers.....

Like I said HT only benefits in the deep analysis and check my HT thread to see the speed increase...Off the top of my head I am hink 15-20% but I can't remember for sure....

 

[Naruto]

Thanks for the help. I think I will just need to try to find a great deal on a 2.4b on ebay. I realized that all I really need is a replacement cpu, and thus a faster cpu in terms of clockspeed will help me. I don't think this epox can get a 2.4b to 3.2, but 2.8 - 3.0 would be great.

 

[CaiNaM]

you can't have it both ways, but since you said "cheaply" i would say amd.

intel is much faster. amd is much less expensive. which is more important, spending several hundred bucks and saving 15 min on each dvd you encode, or saving a few hundred and taking a little more time on each session?

pick your poison; speed or "cheap". both are good products, but "value" is in the eyes of the encoder