Upgrading "da rig"... can I get some advice?

chazdraves

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Greetings, all!

Well, I've had my current rig for a while now and it's growing a bit stale. At the moment I have an A64 3400+ (at 2.65GHz), 1GB of DDR400 (at 438), and a BFG 6800GT OC. Unfortunately, it's struggling a bit with Supreme Commander (raise your hand if you're shocked ).

Anyway, I'll be posting the above in a FS/FT thread later today - PM me if you're intrigued. Self-promoting aside, I'm looking at some new parts, but I'm not as familiar with some of them as I'd like to be. Obviously, I would like a rig that could run bigger, prettier battles of SC. I understand, however, that it would take the uber-rig to achieve just that, and I'm short a couple pennies. Below is the list I've put together with links. I would greatly appreciate if you guys had a second to take a look at the parts and let me know if there are things I could do with less of, better bargains, more reputable brands, etc. I'm thinking socket 775 as that seems to be the beast of choice now days. I want a good OC setup to ring a bit more performance out of the cost if possible. Also, I already have a large tower-style CPU cooler for the processor.

Processor: Intel Core2 Duo E4300 - I heard this sucker OC's about as fast as the 6400 for significantly less... any thoughts?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115013

Motherboard: MSI P6N SLI-FI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI - My current setup is a Gigabyte and I've been real happy with the jumperless BIOS and tweakability, but this was one of the higher recommended boards.. I'm not sure how 650i stacks up against 965 et. all, so if there's a better or more cost effective option, please let me know. I would prefer 2 PCI-E's in case I get crazy. Also, I need two IDE (no SATA yet).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115013

RAM: 2x OCZ Gold 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 - OCZ always seems to be good stuff, and I hear that 2GB is the new minimum. Any thoughts? Any better value? I'm used to Kingston Value RAM as I dont' usually OC RAM (minus the bit needed to up CPU speed).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820227123

Video Card: EVGA GeForce 7950GT 512MB GDDR3 - It seems like the 7950's are twice as fast as the 7600GT's (at about double the price, however). I recall EVGA having a trade-up program, hence the brand choice. Any thoughts? Is there a better value? Graphically, my 6800GT still holds up pretty well in Supreme Commander, so I'm not convinced that I need a 7950. I'd almost rather have something midrange until more DX10 cards come out and prices drop a bit.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130061

Anyhow, that's the setup. I'd greatly appreciate any input. I'll readily admit that I can't keep up with every bit of tech as well as some of you. Thanks for taking the time to help me out!

- Chaz
 

hans007

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supreme commander's main bottleneck on your system is having just one cpu core.

you could just buya x2 3800+ 939 for $130 ish and not upgrade anything else.

 

swtethan

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it takes a 4300 3.3ghz to meet a 2.8ghz stock x6800, while 6400 can equal the performance @ 2.8ghz
 

chazdraves

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Originally posted by: hans007
supreme commander's main bottleneck on your system is having just one cpu core.

you could just buya x2 3800+ 939 for $130 ish and not upgrade anything else.

I would love that, but I've got a 754 board :). Also, I'm stuck with AGP at the moment. Good thoughts though, thanks!

it takes a 4300 3.3ghz to meet a 2.8ghz stock x6800, while 6400 can equal the performance @ 2.8ghz

Fair enough, but I'm hoping to cut costs of here. If they're both capable of matching the high end cpu's for a cheap price, I'll take the cheapest of 'em. I appreciate the thought, however.

Thanks guys, please keep the ideas coming!
- Chaz
 

hans007

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Originally posted by: chazdraves
Originally posted by: hans007
supreme commander's main bottleneck on your system is having just one cpu core.

you could just buya x2 3800+ 939 for $130 ish and not upgrade anything else.

I would love that, but I've got a 754 board :). Also, I'm stuck with AGP at the moment. Good thoughts though, thanks!

it takes a 4300 3.3ghz to meet a 2.8ghz stock x6800, while 6400 can equal the performance @ 2.8ghz

Fair enough, but I'm hoping to cut costs of here. If they're both capable of matching the high end cpu's for a cheap price, I'll take the cheapest of 'em. I appreciate the thought, however.

Thanks guys, please keep the ideas coming!
- Chaz

ah i guess in that case, unless you are a real insane overclocker i'd just get an e4300, 2gb ram and a decent vid card with 256mb on it.


supreme commander runs ok on my machine (2gb ram , e4300 not o/c, and a 6600gt 128mb). it also supposedly runs pretty well on my coworkers macbook pro which is a 2.0 core 2 and an x1600 pro radeon.


you might want to just wait till april, get an 8600 geforece and the e4300 or e4400 after the price cut since the 8600s is coming out in april as well as the price cut. only about 3 weeks from now.
 

chazdraves

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Interesting. Would you happen to have any frame rate specs on your system? I'd be curious to know. I knew I was doing "okay" graphically. Manufacturers just need to stop switching socket/slot types. My problem now is that I'm stuck with a Socket 754 and AGP. Thusly, if I want to upgrade anything, it would seem that I have to do CPU, GPU, Mobo, and RAM. Are either 775 or AM2 more future-safe?

I've heard about the April price cuts with Core 2. I hadn't read about the 8600's. Are there any early numbers?

Many thanks for taking the time, guys. Please keep the ideas coming.
- Chaz
 

chrismr

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Originally posted by: swtethan
it takes a 4300 3.3ghz to meet a 2.8ghz stock x6800, while 6400 can equal the performance @ 2.8ghz

I would actually like to see the banchmarks showing that - do you have any links. and please don't think I am bitter cause I have a e4300 and trying to justify my purchase, because I really would actually like to see the comparison :)
 

chazdraves

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Actually, they just recently had it up here at Anandtech. I don't happen to have the link handy, however.

- Chaz
 

yacoub

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im looking to upgrade for SupCom too, but not until the Intel price drop in July. I'm thinking quad-core but uncertain, since there will be some pretty sweet dual-cores out with double the cache they currently have, higher bus speeds (1066), at same-or-lower prices.
 

chrismr

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Originally posted by: chazdraves
Found it!

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=2903

Any more thoughts, folks? Anyone care to comment on RAM/MoBo?

Many thanks,
- Chaz

Thanks for that. Will upgrade to something other than the 4300 some time, but only once the coming price drops are here. Maybe once the quad cores are affordable, which may be closer to the end of the year.

As a stop-gap cpu, the e4300 is still a good little clocker. doens't really let me down in anything I use it for currently.
 

chazdraves

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Well, I did take the plunge on the 4300. I figure I'll get the cheap one now and let the quad cores come down quite a ways. In fact, I got that whole list posted above. I wanted to get the Gigabyte 965-DS3 motherboard that seems to have such a following, but it only has 1xPATA and I need 2 for 3 devices. I've only read a bit about the board I bought, but hopefully it's a winner. The customer reviews seemed positive if nothing else...

Gratz on 1000 posts, nyker!

Regards,
- Chaz