Upgrade to R9 390 or wait 2016 next-gen..

chummy

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Hello guys, i'm some reader in forum but start my first participation now.

Let go to the discussion, the thing is curently i own a GTX770 2gb card and have option to purchase a r9 390. I know there upcoming new cards in somewhere 2016 but not exactly when.

What i purchase next i want to keep for good time, maybe till 2018 which suposedly comes next gen consoles.

Should i wait for the $200-250 next-Gen cards or should i get the r9 390 now?
 

lehtv

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Please state your other hardware. R9 390 or any other video card upgrade may not make sense if your system has a slow CPU, a low capacity or low quality PSU, or other weakenesses.

If you want to keep the card for a long time, wait. Next gen should be quite a leap forward in terms of features and perf/watt - much bigger than 700 -> 900 series. My guess is Q3/2016 release, but I'm hoping Q2.

GTX 770 is still fine for medium settings on 1080p - assuming that is your resolution. If you play on 1440p, well then it could be worth it to grab the R9 390 now.

I'm wondering why you're contemplating between R9 390 and a next gen $200-250 card. R9 390 is currently $300, so why not consider a next gen $300 card? In fact, wouldn't it make sense to spend more rather than less, given that you'll have more time to amass savings? I'd probably go for the next-gen equivalent of R9 390 or GTX 970 - guessing it'll be about $400.
 

chummy

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My other specs is 4770k@4.1ghz and Corsair RM650. I dont tell about the rest of system because i know they will keep fine with any single GPU.

I play 1080p and i live in country which prices are not U$ but i make a comparison about what i probably can grab next gen. The 390 i have now to purchase is in the range price of what is U$250 cards in US market and if i dont choose that now, this range $200-250 is what i'll grab next gen.

I take my 770 in 2013 when it was U$350, so 1 year later there comes 960 at same performance for U$200. If that keeps i wait next gen $200 cards should get the 970-390 performance with much less power consumption, what is very good for me since energy is expensive where i live. Perf/watt is a bigger deal for me than for US consumers.

But thing is than since rumours says next gen will be expensive, i dont know if either they will release some $200 budget cards at launch or only expensive ones, and if the $200 cards take too long to come out, what make a 390 good choice now.
 

ShintaiDK

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While nextgen will be expensive. You will still get a lot more value/$.

The only question is when you need a faster GPU. If its now its now. If it can wait it can wait.
 

lehtv

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Next-gen <$250 cards will be the GTX 960 and R9 380 equivalents. GTX 960 and R9 380 are only about 65% of the performance of R9 390, so I'm not expecting their next gen equivalents to beat R9 390. R9 390 will also have more VRAM. The only downside here is power consumption, but RM650 will easily handle an R9 390 so this isn't a problem. (Another downside is DirectX12 and driver related features, but to a much lesser degree).

$250 USD is an extremely good price for an R9 390. Which make/model is it?

Overall, and given your budget limits, it does seem like you should jump on the R9 390. With a bigger budget, the next gen equivalent would be a better long term purchase.
 
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chummy

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Sapphire Nitro OC. About $250 cards not coming better, how was possible to 960-380 at U$200 launch price reach 280x/770 which was U$330 at launch and both cards dont even get a litography change.

Are you sure next gen $200~ cards will not get performance gains about 960-380 like before?
 

dark zero

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Hello guys, i'm some reader in forum but start my first participation now.

Let go to the discussion, the thing is curently i own a GTX770 2gb card and have option to purchase a r9 390. I know there upcoming new cards in somewhere 2016 but not exactly when.

What i purchase next i want to keep for good time, maybe till 2018 which suposedly comes next gen consoles.

Should i wait for the $200-250 next-Gen cards or should i get the r9 390 now?
Wait... if the card is OK, is better to wait
 

happy medium

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Next-gen <$250 cards will be the GTX 960 and R9 380 equivalents which are about 65% of the performance of R9 390.

This is totally wrong.

Chummy use your gtx770 till next year and buy a 250$ card that will be way faster.
DO not buy a 390.
 

crisium

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It's really the classic buy or wait scenario.

If you buy now you get better performance now. If you want to play all of the late 2015 and early 2016 games at better settings I can't blame you for impulse.

If you wait, you can still play every game but you will play them at reduced settings and/or framerate. If you're fine with lower settings and an unknown launch date (?months) then wait. It is unlikely performance at $250 will degrade. There's a risk it will somewhat stagnate and that 970/390 performance cards get that MSRP (official MSRP is still $330 iirc). There's also a chance you will get faster cards then.
 

RussianSensation

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The two biggest questions you gotta ask are: (1) Can you resell the 770? (2) Do you need the extra performance or is the 770 satisfying you?

If you need more performance for the latest titles, sell the 770 and buy a $250 390. Your total out of pocket cost is very low. This allows you to get a lot more performance while you wait for 16nm cards to drop in price over the course of that generation. Then, when it comes time to upgrade, you just sell the 390 and keep going.

The other thing is, while I do believe we'll see nice gains in the $299+ segments, I have no such expectations for the $99-249 segments simply because during this generation, this was the worst market segment (750/750Ti/950/960/285/380/380X).

To put that in perspective, R9 390 ~ 290X and at 1080P, that's 77% more performance than a GTX960. Why does this matter? If 960's Pascal successor is 80-90% faster, that's only getting you barely more than 390 level of performance. Are you willing to wait until Q2-Q3 2016 for that? If you are happy with the performance of your current card, of course the longer you wait, the more you'll be able to get for your $$$ but at some point if the performance isn't satisfying you, you have to upgrade.

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If you aren't going to sell the GTX770 to recoup the upgrading cost, I would wait to get a card 85-100% faster than a 770 (390 is about 64%). Otherwise, I think right now is not a bad time to sell the 770 and grab a $250 390.

This is totally wrong.

Chummy use your gtx770 till next year and buy a 250$ card that will be way faster.
DO not buy a 390.

It might take a while before a brand new $249 16nm card is way faster though.

If NV doubles the performance of the $149 750Ti, that's only R9 380X, so the $150 segment is totally out.
If NV doubles the performance of the $199 GTX960, that's just 13% faster than an R9 390.
If NV drops GTX980 level of performance to $249 with a mid-range Pascal card, that's still just 11-15% faster than a 390. Not that exciting compared to GTX970/390, unless power consumption and the latest features are critical.

Moving forward, I expect the most exciting dGPU segments on the desktop from a performance point of view to be $299-650, nothing below at least not at MSRP. The sub-$300 segment nowadays is just bad value. There is a large chance that both NV/AMD will replicate the strategy since 2012 and split the next gen into two parts - 2016 will be cards 40-50% faster per segment, and then in 2017 another 30-40% faster, or something along those lines.

What i purchase next i want to keep for good time, maybe till 2018 which suposedly comes next gen consoles.

Next gen consoles are unlikely to come in 2018 for 2 big reasons. The first is that with slower pace of performance increases, it will take a while before Sony's PS5 could have 5-6X the GPU performance at an affordable price compared to PS4. Right now the $600 980Ti is 'only' 3X faster than the PS4's GPU. That means you need to increase performance another 50-100% on top of 980Ti and then make sure it costs $150 max to fit inside PS5. That's not happening in 2018.

The second reason is that game developers make the most $ towards the latter part of a console generation. When PS4 and XB1 have 150 million install-base, that's when they love the console generation the most. That's why I think it's more realistic to expect PS5/XB2 in 2019-2020, not 2018.

Finally, no matter what single GPU you buy today, it'll be outdated for PS5/XB2 level games in 2019-2025 so don't even bother thinking that far. The GPUs in those consoles will smash anything we have out today so there is no way to future-proof for that in 2015.
 
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chummy

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Next gen consoles are unlikely to come in 2018 for 2 big reasons.

The case i used to 2018 console was only based in a rumour, i know when new console generation arrives all things gonna change and we be forced to move on. So my words was not to suposedly 390 run next gen consoles(ps5), but keep working till this gen dies.

I want a card to keep working at least 2 years~ in this generation. So i'll grab that 390 for now.
 
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mysticjbyrd

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The true cost of something differs between person to person, so no one can really tell you what to do. However, I can tell you that I would personally not upgrade in that situation. Then again, I don't like using ebay. I would probably just end up giving my current card to a friend.
 

boozzer

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Hello guys, i'm some reader in forum but start my first participation now.

Let go to the discussion, the thing is curently i own a GTX770 2gb card and have option to purchase a r9 390. I know there upcoming new cards in somewhere 2016 but not exactly when.

What i purchase next i want to keep for good time, maybe till 2018 which suposedly comes next gen consoles.

Should i wait for the $200-250 next-Gen cards or should i get the r9 390 now?
you want to keep till 2018? 100% wait.
 

tential

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Setting hard pricelimits is a joke. If you're waiting til 2016, then you can put aside 1 dollar a day, or even 50 cents a day, until new GPUs are released. Then get the best GPU for the money in 2016.....
 

Actaeon

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For a new release, what kind of pricing do you see in your country? For example, what was the price of a GTX 970 when it was new?

I ask because $200 USD is mid-range tier pricing in the US. The 960 launched over here at $200 with noticeably less performance than the high end and far slower than a 970 which was $350 new. So I expect the 'next gen' 390/970 to start around the $350 mark.

So while the next gen 390 replacement will certainly be faster than the current 390, you are getting 390 performance at 960 prices. So the question is, will next years $200 card be better than the 390 you can get now? I'm not sure and if it was I don't think it'd be better in a meaningful way.

Using the chart that RS posted, the 960 replacement would need to be 100% faster than the current 960 to match a 390X (no 390 there). Yes there will be gains, but 2x faster is alot. The R390 is still a pretty high end card and has 8GB of VRAM. I'd be a bit surprised if $200 cards next year come with 8GB of VRAM, they will probably have 4GB.

Anyway, the point I'm getting to is that while newer card of the same class & price will certainly be better, your price point is interesting enough where you are getting a higher tier card for a lower tiered price and that makes your situation a little more interesting.
 

RussianSensation

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I want a card to keep working at least 2 years~ in this generation. So i'll grab that 390 for now.

There is another option as tential noted. Keep gaming on the 770 while saving another $50 or so over the next 6-9 months. Then sell the 770 and buy a next gen $299-330 card. If your budget will still be fixed at $250 though, it's a much harder call. At that point you are most likely looking at slightly more performance at much lower power usage in next gen cards but performance wise, it might not be that much faster. We are all just estimating so who knows.
 
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