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kamikazekyle

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I’m putting together a plan to cycle through the hardware in the house, since some of it is very below what I’d like (and need) performance wise. Plus, some things like my server, are held together by voodoo and fairy dust. The duct tape failed a long time ago.

I pretty much know how I want to mix things up. The question is in the timing. I want to meet my current and future goals while not really wasting a bunch of money in the process. I probably wouldn’t be facing this dilemma so soon, but my aging server and “HTPC”, combined with current upgrades, is making me rethink my timeline.

Systems
My PC: Athlon II X4 @ 3.3 GHz / 12GB DDR3-1600 @ ~1472* / Dual AMD 6950s
Tasks – Video Editing, encoding, gaming, some code/script work, virtualization (hence memory)
Girlfriends PC: Intel Q6700 @ 3.6 GHz / 4GB DDR2-800 / Single 285GTX, soon to be replaced with a 460
Tasks – Office tasks, gaming, some photo work. Possibly some occasional video re-encoding later on.
HTPC: Dell XPS Laptop, Core2Duo @ 2.6ish GHz / 2GB DDR2-633 / Dual mobile 8600GTs
Tasks – XBMC, AirVideo and VLC stream live transcoding, 24 hour operation. I want to offload the streaming and transcoding tasks to the server and thusly remove the 24-hour operation requirement.
Server: Athlon 64 @ 1.8 GHz / 1GB Registered DDR1 / 4x2TB SATA in RAID 0 / Win Server 2008R2
Tasks – File serving, DHCP, DNS, Active Directory, Audio Galaxy music streaming, backups (LTO-3 & disk), 24 hour operation. Will expand into application and possibly web serving later on, and I want to add on AirVideo and VLC streaming with live transcoding.
*Mobo on my PC only supports up to 1333 memory without overclocking

Current Issues
Obviously the server is *old*. It’s the bare minimum requirements to run Windows Server 2008R2, and it really, really shows. The system’s been a trooper, though, as I’ve had the CPU fan die for over a month and the system still chugs. Though the motherboard barely has any working ports or PCI slots left, and the power supply is on its way out. The whole shebang needs to be replaced, except the drives.

Secondly, due to a series of unfortunate and fortunate events, I wound up with a pair of 6950’s new-in-box for $160 each. This was a wee bit of an upgrade over a single Nvidia 460 GTX. As the Athlon system was not built to utilize the crossfire cards (and I never expected to get a pair of 6950’s, let alone much better than a 460GTX), I’m hitting a CPU bottleneck in some games with a single card, let alone a crossfire setup. This is especially true in games like Rift, where my single-card utilization never goes beyond 80ish%. I do play a perhaps excessive amount of Rift, so I notice the bottleneck a lot.

Thirdly, my laptop is serving OK duty as a HTPC, though too hot with the screen closed and isn't happy running 24/7. Such a setup next to my TV not only looks bad, but I have to also utilize the laptop to do my AirVideo and VLC streaming vice the very-old server. Otherwise I could let it go into standby when we’re not using it.

Aside from a few cooling/case issues with my girlfriend’s case, her setup works for the things she does. I currently use it as a secondary system, so a little extra performance wouldn’t be bad, but I’ll be limited by the CPU if I go too much higher.



Plan
  1. Upgrade my current system to something that’s not so CPU bound. A simple CPU+mobo upgrade would work since all other components can easily transfer.
  2. Migrate the AMD setup (with new memory) to my girlfriend’s case. It runs cooler and quieter with the 460GTX and inside her current case. I had the same setup before the crossfire, and outside of games the system is whisper quiet.
  3. Migrate the Q6700 setup into a new case that’s quiet and HTPC-looking-friendly, plop in a lower powered and inexpensive H264 accelerated GPU, and use that as a server + HTPC + streaming transcoder.
  4. Lab/decom the laptop and the current server.
Question
*When* should I do all this? I’d like to utilize the AMD setup for the server since it runs a lot cooler, quieter, and uses less power than my Q6700 while pushing out better multi-core conversion numbers. But, I’d have to purchase two new sets of CPU/Mobos since I’d like to not continue using the Q6700 setup for my girlfriend’s PC. I could still do so, but I'd have to add on $75-$100 for a better ventilated case.

I’m kind of leaning on getting an i5-2500k to tide me over on my current PC for a yearish, purchasing the latest and greatest mobo+CPU after that, and then migrate the i5 2500k setup to my girlfriend’s computer and further migrating the AMD setup to the HTPC. That way her computer gets a bit of a longevity boost after a year, and I wind up with a cooler/quieter system for the HTPC/server combo I plan.

Or, should I wait 6 months to a year, and then grab the latest and greatest for my PC and a discounted i5/whatever setup for the missus?

I’d like to see what everyone’s opinions are on the matter. Hopefully, that way, I won’t so easily be able to rationalize myself into an i5-2500k purchase for no good reason :p
 

wuliheron

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If you've waited this long you might as well wait until Bulldozer comes out in June and prices go down again. The i5 2500k is probably plenty fast for your needs, but Bulldozer will have 8 cores making it faster for things like video encoding and running physics in games. I'd check the benchmarks when they come out and see how much you want to spend.
 

kamikazekyle

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Hrm, I didn't think Bulldozer was coming out so soon. Then Ivy might be close behind. So long as my server holds out I should be good to wait if I just put up with what I have. It'll also give me some time to judge my girlfriend's habits. Now that I gave her a computer she can actually do stuff on, she's spending a lot more time on it, and just got into PC gaming. Nothing too major as of yet since she's hooked on Civ5 at worst.

Then again, Newegg has an i5-2500k and MSI P67A-G43 (B3 rev) combo for $320 AR now. It's oooh so tempting to grab that, then pass it to the girlfriend's computer or server at the end of the year.

Bah. Stupid upgrade itch. It'd probably be easier to wait if I wasn't able to rationalize upgrading the girlfriends computer even more for better gaming. And if I never bought those 5870's (with free RMA's to 6950's) on clearance I"d still be happily crusing along with my 460GTX and 60Hz monitor.
 

wuliheron

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Hrm, I didn't think Bulldozer was coming out so soon. Then Ivy might be close behind. So long as my server holds out I should be good to wait if I just put up with what I have. It'll also give me some time to judge my girlfriend's habits. Now that I gave her a computer she can actually do stuff on, she's spending a lot more time on it, and just got into PC gaming. Nothing too major as of yet since she's hooked on Civ5 at worst.

Then again, Newegg has an i5-2500k and MSI P67A-G43 (B3 rev) combo for $320 AR now. It's oooh so tempting to grab that, then pass it to the girlfriend's computer or server at the end of the year.

Bah. Stupid upgrade itch. It'd probably be easier to wait if I wasn't able to rationalize upgrading the girlfriends computer even more for better gaming. And if I never bought those 5870's (with free RMA's to 6950's) on clearance I"d still be happily crusing along with my 460GTX and 60Hz monitor.


Just six weeks to go. Have your girl friend rub some skin cream on that itch and the time will fly by.
 

somethingsketchy

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If possible, I'd say offload the server tasks and virtualize them on your desktop (as it is the most powerful of the bunch). You will be able to consolidate some of your hardware.

This would buy you some time until Bulldozer comes out and there are some hardware reviews out in the open. Otherwise if you need to build now, you probably could get some barebones kit for an AMD quad core to perform the server tasks (especially with the VLC streaming with live encoding that you are looking for).
 
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kamikazekyle

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Just six weeks to go. Have your girl friend rub some skin cream on that itch and the time will fly by.

Heh. Too bad I can only see her for about two weekends a month. Though she is moving in come June/July, so that'll correlate well.

If possible, I'd say offload the server tasks and virtualize them on your desktop (as it is the most powerful of the bunch). You will be able to consolidate some of your hardware.

This would buy you some time until Bulldozer comes out and there are some hardware reviews out in the open. Otherwise if you need to build now, you probably could get some barebones kit for an AMD quad core to perform the server tasks (especially with the VLC streaming with live encoding that you are looking for).

I'd be worried about CPU load, really. While I do virtualize, these VMs aren't running constantly and are used for testing, no production stuff, and are more memory heavy than CPU heavy. While most games and apps probably wouldn't be affected by running a single light-load VM in the background, I know some things -- ala my encodes -- might take a hit.

Plus, I'd have to migrate over a SCSI card, LTO-3 tape drive, five hard drives, and the SATA card (cause my system would run out of ports) in order to facilitate all the duties the server currently performs. Not enough room in my Antech 900 currently for that :)

I'm thinking I'll probably just hope the server doesn't die out until I upgrade after Bulldozer, and do the hardware shuffle then. If the server does go belly up, I'll see about piecing together cheap kit that I could repurpose later, or migrating the core services over to a VM and wait for a dedicated box before I stand back up NAS services.

Thinking about it some more, if I change the heatsink on the Q6700 and swap out the video card for something low power and passive that still accelerates H264, I should be able to trim down the heat and noise yet still retain enough performance to consolidate all the current server and HTPC duties. Assuming my girlfriend doesn't start hardcore gaming on me (oh please oh please oh please I hope she does), she should be fine with the Athlon + 460GTX for the next 1+ years.
 

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I don't think anything is going to make the Q6700 what I would consider good for HTPC use. It's still quite competent as a desktop CPU though. The i5 2500K is also a very good deal even a $200. Thus, what I would probably do is:
- Leave the GF's system alone, maybe throw a hyper 212+ on it to quieten it down
- Buy an i5 2500K setup for yourself
- Do your #3 with your Athlon setup instead of the Q6700
- Retire old server as you planned (though I must admit LTO tape backup is pretty damn hardcore!)
 

kamikazekyle

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I don't think anything is going to make the Q6700 what I would consider good for HTPC use. It's still quite competent as a desktop CPU though. The i5 2500K is also a very good deal even a $200. Thus, what I would probably do is:
- Leave the GF's system alone, maybe throw a hyper 212+ on it to quieten it down
- Buy an i5 2500K setup for yourself
- Do your #3 with your Athlon setup instead of the Q6700
- Retire old server as you planned (though I must admit LTO tape backup is pretty damn hardcore!)

The Q6700 was more server that happened to dual role as a HTPC. Well, whatever I put into the server role is probably going to be doing double duty as the HTPC. I would prefer the Athlon, however, since even on a stock HSF it's cooler and quieter. I *do* have a Tuniq tower on that Q6700, though hell if I know if the CPU fan even works in it anymore. I can't see inside those sharp-ass fins of death.

I actually talked this over with the girlfriend last night, and she suggested I go with the 2500k setup as well. While it might be a bit more in the long run, when I do go Bulldozer or Ivy in about a year I can migrate the 2500K to upgrade whatever she happens to be running at the time, especially if she starts doing some video stuff of her own or gets more into gaming. That'll satisfy my short term requirements and tide me over until Bulldozer and Ivy can be compared and their clock speeds increased.

The LTO drive was actually a timely blessing, so to speak. I have an 8TB RAID setup (which happens to be RAID 0 due to limitations of my antique SATA card in Win2008). I was looking into a backup solution when someone gave me 40 LTO-3 tapes for free. They were WORM tapes, but over 90% of my server data is archival and non-changing in nature, so they worked out great. At that point grabbing an LTO-3 drive off ebay with a freebie SCSI card was a no brainer. I just have a 1TB external hard drive for backing up changing data and doing automated system images.