upgrade from a 1.4 athlon to a xp1800+, can't boot, keeps rebooting

[cchen]

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ok updated ------

i just tried to swap cpu's. put the new cpu in, mboard detected it as athlon xp1800+. i have a msi k7t turbo, latest bios, i checked on their website and it says that the board can support this cpu (palomino)

so it gets to the screen right before windows starts booting but then reboots at that same point every time....

anyone have any ideas?

 

[splice]

nope

 

[BFG10K]

I should think not. You usually only have to reinstall Windows XP if you change the motherboard.

 

[Trevelyan]

You don't have to, but if you want to take advantage of the new SSE instructions in the XP processors then I recommend it.

 

[erikiksaz]

How can you check if SSE is being used? I went through a similar update, but i reformatted. AFter reformatting, converting files from divx to mpg still took a long time.

 

[cchen]

are you guys sure? when i went from a 1.2 to a 1.4, i had to reinstall the os or else i couldn't even boot without getting bsod's...

 

[erikiksaz]

Originally posted by: cchen
are you guys sure? when i went from a 1.2 to a 1.4, i had to reinstall the os or else i couldn't even boot without getting bsod's...

No, i've done it, and you don't have to reinstall.

 

[kursplat]

i just did my wife's from a 1500xp to a 2000xp no problem. have also messed with other chip swaps without a problem.
but i would like Trevelyan toexplain this for me...

You don't have to, but if you want to take advantage of the new SSE instructions in the XP processors then I recommend it.

good luck

 

[kalster]

wat do u mean u need to reinstall to use sse? that doesnt make sense
i am asking coz i just upgrade from tbird 1.4 to xp 1800@2100+ myself

 

[Syborg1211]

When you install windows, it detects what processor you have and it will install SSE(2) operations as needed. But if you install with athlon and then go to XP it won't have the SSE instructions installed and therefore you lose the extra leg up the XP has over the athlon.

People say there are things you can do to get the SSE stuff installed but I haven't the faintest idea how so unless you can find out otherwise a fresh install will be recommended.

 

[erikiksaz]

Originally posted by: Syborg1211
When you install windows, it detects what processor you have and it will install SSE(2) operations as needed. But if you install with athlon and then go to XP it won't have the SSE instructions installed and therefore you lose the extra leg up the XP has over the athlon.

People say there are things you can do to get the SSE stuff installed but I haven't the faintest idea how so unless you can find out otherwise a fresh install will be recommended.

Before you do though, cchen, try benchmarking with programs before and after the reinstall. I'm having doubts that there's any difference.

 

[kalster]

even if the processor thingy in the device manager lists it as xp?

 

[RaymondY]

Did a similar upgrade a few months back, AMD 1.33ghz to AMD XP 1600+. Didn't have to install the OS (Win2K Server)

Everything worked great. No issues

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: erikiksaz

Originally posted by: Syborg1211
When you install windows, it detects what processor you have and it will install SSE(2) operations as needed. But if you install with athlon and then go to XP it won't have the SSE instructions installed and therefore you lose the extra leg up the XP has over the athlon.

People say there are things you can do to get the SSE stuff installed but I haven't the faintest idea how so unless you can find out otherwise a fresh install will be recommended.

Before you do though, cchen, try benchmarking with programs before and after the reinstall. I'm having doubts that there's any difference.

Well, he'll see a difference regardless b/c the 2100+ is 300mhz faster or so

but just reinstall it

 

[cchen]

updated

 

[Shockwave]

Ok, heres a problem I had with an MSI board. It would support the old Athlons. It supported the XP's (Per the box) BUT! Lo and behold, it would only support the Palomino cores, NOT the Thoroughbred cores. Now, the box says "Yes! XP" The website says "Yes! XP!" BUT! If you click CPU suport...You get a slightly different story.
Now, you say you have a MSI K7T Turbo, NOT a turbo2 correct? If so, guess what.....

You need a slower CPU or new mobo.

Welcome to MSI mislabeling. Dont worry, your not the first to fall victim to the broad "XP supported!" statement.

If you have a Turbo2, then we have a different problem.

OH WAIT! You said 1800...Not 1900....My bad! I need to stop posting before my coffee... :disgust:

Anyways, I would bet that could still be it. Whats the difference between a 1800 or a 1900? That might be a place to start. Voltage? FSB speed? Clock settings? Ok, lemme think....

Edit AGAIN!
Your SURE its a Paly core and not tbred? I thought I had a Paly as well, but it was really a Tbred. Check
here
and
here

On the second link, notice the bottom of the CPU? No transistors. The Paly does have transitiors on the bottom, as well the top CPU chip is sqaure whereas more rectangluar on the Tbreds.

 

[Biggerhammer]

What's your power supply? If this were a heat problem you'd not get so far, I expect.

 

[Shockwave]

Just realized my whole post above is worthless. If it WAS a different CPU type, chances are you wouldnt even get through POST at all. Be dead in the water.
Well, crap.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Just realized my whole post above is worthless. If it WAS a different CPU type, chances are you wouldnt even get through POST at all. Be dead in the water.
Well, crap.

actually your post is helpful..just glancing at an 1800+ ..might mistake a TBred for a Palomino..it is in the numbers that I'd rely on..and yes MSI drags a name for too long

 

[cchen]

I'm 1000% sure it's a palomino, the tbreds would not even boot the computer....

so what could be the problem?

 

[Shockwave]

Test your RAM with memtest86

Here was my ENTIRE problem.
Cracked core.
Bad RAM
incorrect settings in the mobo.
I swapped CPU for an XP which didnt work. Swapped AGAIN to a Duron which DID work. Still coudlnt boot right. Checked mobo settings and the cracked core had caused the BIOS to go retarded. After correcting all that, it STILL wouldnt boot. In fact, my Win98 install would crash into an endless loop every time just as it started to load. And win2K would crash during load from boot disks.
Ended up THATS when I found the bad RAM, as in a desperate attempt to identify something wrong I ran memtest86.

So, test your RAM, thats all I can think of right off. Set everything to lowest (or stock) speed, test ram, go from there.

And yes, in case your wondering, fizing the above problems was an incredible pain in the ass, and took about a week to get everything ironed out.

 

[cchen]

my ram is fine.... i put the 1.4 in... my computer's been up and fine for almost a day....

 

[psteng19]

I can't provide any help to your specific situation, but here's what I do know.

My MSI K7T Turbo LE is currently running an 1800 TBRED even though MSI's website tells me otherwise.
It's a minor update to the regular Turbo, but if you look up the CPU support table, MSI says my mb stops at 1800 Palomino.

I said the hell with MSI, and bought a XP1800 T-Bred, updated the BIOS and popped it in.
Running for over a month w/out problems.


Regarding re-installing windows XP.
Not necessary, but to take advantage of the new SSE instructions you will have to re-install.
It will still boot up and go into windows, but you just won't have those new instructions.

 

[cchen]

that's really strange because the 1700+ tbred i bought wouldn't boot

 

[cchen]

anyone? i'm desperate here