Upgrade for my Cel 550. Tbird? Need help

duragezic

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I've been trying to get some money for an upgrade and while I really don't have much, I'm gonna at least try and get a couple of the parts, especially memory while it is still cheap because I doubt it will get any lower.

I was thinking off upgrading my cel 550 (see sig) to a 1.2ghz Tbird. The Tbird C chips are a bit more expensive that the regular 100mhz bus ones but I'd like to get 133mhz fsb one so it's faster. I'm pretty sure that if you have a KT133A motherboard and a regular "B" unlocked Tbird, that you can change the fsb to 133mhz and set multiplier accordingly and have the same as a "C" Tbird. That's right isn't it?

If so, how do I know which Tbird's are unlocked. I'm looking at a 1.2ghz or maybe even a 1.1ghz but no less than that. What's the best value?

Then to the motherboard. I want a KT133A one. The MSI K7T-Turbo is quite cheap but I'm hearing some problems about it and the Pro2A. Actually I hear lots of problems on many KT133/A boards but seems to be most on this. I don't want an Abit either. The Epox 8KTA3 is a good price but is it a good stable board? Then there's the AOpen AK73 ProA and I remember the Aopen AXBC or something BX boards being very stable. I'd like an ASUS A7V133 since they seem to be good but that's getting a bit pricey for me. Finally theres the Iwill KK266. Good price, haven't heard much about it. I don't need RAID, I don't think I'll be overclocking. I don't even care if it doesn't have ATA/100. I want a stable board with no multiplier problems. Oh yeah and cheap too. Looking for opinions, especially on the MSI K7T-Turbo.

What about the hs/fan? Most of the cpu's I see are retail. There's the gorb but I hear those aren't good for Socket A cpu's. Since I won't be o/c'ing I don't think I'll need a Alpha thingie. Well, maybe I might just bump it up if the mobo allows overclocking but I won't be going for big overclocks. So what's a good, somewhat-cheap fan?

I want to try a get the 256mb ram (might as well get that much), mobo, Tbird, hs/fan at one time. Then I can wait and save up more money to put this Abit BE6, 366@550, 128mb PC100 ram to upgrade my P166. All I would need is a case I think.

Sound like a good upgrade? DDR is out but is it really worth it? Thanks.
 

TravisBickle

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a lot of questions. i advise unlocking the chip yourself, and buying the cheapest copper-fabricated t-bird you can. people are cranking 1ghz tbirds to 1.2-1.5 ghz (see compuwiz thread). i think all tbirds above a certain speed use copper interconnects.
do use a fan behind the cpu. people talk too much about cpu fans; what you really need is a good extractor fan for the case- somewhere for that hot air to go.
 

duragezic

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Unlock the chip myself? You mean with a soldering pen thing? Hah yeah I'd wreck a $200+ chip.
 

stultus

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Okay, let's get started. Sorry for the excessive quoting, but if I didn't we'd all get lost (that was a really long post).



<< I'm pretty sure that if you have a KT133A motherboard and a regular &quot;B&quot; unlocked Tbird, that you can change the fsb to 133mhz and set multiplier accordingly and have the same as a &quot;C&quot; Tbird. That's right isn't it? >>



Yes. Be advised this is a form of overclocking (you said later that you didn't think you'd be overclocking).



<< If so, how do I know which Tbird's are unlocked. I'm looking at a 1.2ghz or maybe even a 1.1ghz but no less than that. What's the best value? >>



Well, it depends if you're going to buy your chip retail (with HSF) or OEM. And it really depends on the week that you buy. I agree with everything TravisBickle said in his posts. Unlock it yourself.

About the motherboards. What in the world are you tring to accomplish listing them all? Yes, we know all about them. The A7V133 is the champ right now, but it's a little pricier. The Epox is another great board, and it's only $112 shipped! If you're hearing bad things about the K7T-Turbo, maybe that's a sign you shouldn't get it. Go for a board that most everybody recommends... the motherboard is a very important pasrt of your system :D

Regarding HSF - that's a whole other matter. IF you're not going to overclock, a retali chip and HSF is a fine choice. Of course, everynody on here are power tweakers to we probably didn't choose retails, but that doesn't mean you can't. Going retail simplifies the whole HSF search.

DDR is the new kid on the block. Not worth it yet...
 

formulav8

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If you don't want to spend alot of money I would definitely get the Epox 8KTA3. I have it and love it. Its definitely one of the best tweaker boards out and most stable. You can get it for $112 shipped at newegg.com.
 

duragezic

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I don't want to unlock it myself I have no experience and I'd wreck the chip probably.

I guess I won't get an unlocked one unless I find a unlocked one being sold for cheap. At Newegg they have a good price on a 1.2ghz 133mhz Tbird though so I might just get that.

They have a coolermaster hsf there but it's only $10 I'm not sure if that'd be good enough.

Well I read the Anand review on Epox board it looks okay I guess. I'll read some more reviews on it and get more opinions first.

Still looking for more opinions and answers. Thanks!
 

stultus

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To unlock a chip, you take a pencil and draw a line on the chip. It isn't rocket science ;) If you can write your name, you can unlock a chip.
 

duragezic

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What? I think you had to solder something?

I'd probably still fvck it up lol I just don't feel comfortable working on $230 chip but I guess if you just use a lead pencil and draw a line...
 

nortexoid

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u can't ruin the chip if u use a pencil - even if u botch up on the connexions it won't ruin the chip...unlock it yourself..

buy a 1ghz cpu - as it's the best bang for the buck at the moment..if u want faster, it often overclocks to the same speeds as the 1.1 and 1.2s...if u dont' overclock, it doesn't matter, u wont' notice any performance difference between these 3 cpus...not enough to justify the price increase, IMO...

i have the MSI Turbo and it's a good board - no problems yet...i'm using hte latest bios that allows 4-way interleaving (memory tweak) and lower multiplier adjustments...which u won't need since u're buying at least a 1ghz t-bird...this board is stable, cheap and performs well...if the epox 8kta3 is more available to u, it should be cheaper than the MSI is an excellent board as well...

finally, get the thermaltake Volcano II HSF - it's quiet, cheap and performs good...in terms of price, it's cheaper than a fop32-1, and performs on a par with it, if not better...it's also far quieter...
 

duragezic

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Ok the MSI is only $1 or $2 more than the Epox board so if I see some more positive opinions on it I'll probably just get that.

Found some articles on the pencil overclocking. Looks easy but I read some things about having to reapply pencil every week. Might do it, I don't know. But for cpu it's a decision to get:

Tbird 1ghz 100mhz FSB, unlock myself and overclock
Tbird 1.1 or 1.2ghz 100fsb, unlock, just to set to 133mhz but don't actually raise clock speed
Tbird 1.13 or 1.2ghz 133fsb, don't unlock and leave it at stock speed
Tbird 1.13 or so, 133fsb, unlock and try to o/c more

The first option is the cheapest but what if it's unstable at 1.13 and all I can get is a slightly overclock. I know 1ghz isn't slow but if I could get a 1.2ghz that'd be nice.

Still looking for more opinions mostly on MSI k7t Turbo (multiplier issues?) and which cpu route you all recommend I should take.

Thanks for all the replies so far!
 
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I first unlocked my Duron 750 using an HB mechanical pencil. Worked great. For about a week. Then I started getting strange things like 650 mhz when I had it set at 8.5 X 100. Decided to clean the chip with just a dab of rubbing alcohol, and everything went back to normal: locked multiplier at 7.5 X 100. I then ordered a silver epoxy kit from crazypc.com. Applied it to the L1 bridges and everything has been great for about a month. It really is very easy to do; with the silver epoxy, you just need to examine things closely (magnifying glass if possible) before you let the epoxy set- I thing you have about 20 minutes- you need to make sure you didn't make any shorts across the adjacent bridges. If you did, you just clean it off with some rubbing alcohol and start over.

Piece of Cake.
 

duragezic

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Well if the pencil thing doesn't work I'll just leave it I don't want to be messing with it in any other way.

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torque2k

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Heatsinks: I use a lot of CoolerMasters at work. Buy the 6H51, it's beefy and has a hefty yet quite fan.

Thermal compound: a must have, buy Arctic Silver (not the epoxy). It'll make a difference, trust me. I shaved 3 degrees Celcius off my rating on a 1.1GHz TBird last week!

Pencil or no pencil? Well, haven't tried it but at Plycon they carry a thing called Trace Tape. It does the work for you, no pencil marks disappearing (I've read about that quite a bit recently). Also, they carry all sorts of cooling equipment, lighting for cases, thermal compounds, cables, etc. These guys plain ROCK, they actually care...

Enjoy!