Upgrade ability offered by Intel and AMD systems

[Gomce]

Read the following posts, the direction of the thread has changed

 

[wfbberzerker]

i have an inkling this post might get locked...

 

[Kazi]

as long as my intel P3 sits just fine, im ok with intel, MicroCrap is another thing, their browsers suck and $500 bucks for a cd...my god!

 

[joohang]

Just came to comment that this forum is about hardware.

I won't make any further comments because the level of ignorance and misinformation in this thread is unbelievable.

 

[erub]

Intel has always had relatively high prices. They have been bringing them down lately in the face of stronger competition from AMD. They are a corporation, the goal is to make money. If you don't like paying the high prices, fine, don't buy the chips. Capitalism at work - nobody is forcing you to upgrade your machine. The reason that Intel has changed formats is for technological advancements - switched from the Socket 7 to Slot 1 to get the cache on the chip vs. remaining on the motherboard, which made for speed improvements; switched back to socket when they were able to put the cache inside the chip which made the processors cheaper to produce (and passed savings on to you). Switched to a new socket for the P4 so you would need a new motherboard - P4 would be horrible if it was starved with 133FSB on the GTL+ bus, instead of the 400 MHz FSB it has now. And they recently made the switch to a different socket with the P4 to make it cheaper to produce - an adapter should be available so you can use the newer chips in your P4 i850 motherboard (according to Anand)

MS is already a monopoly in the OS market, few dispute that. 2000 and XP are very stable. Renting this OS? I don't know about you, if your talking about the activation thing, and you don't like it, again, don't buy it.

This is only a quick post, many other arguments for liking them exist.

 

[bacillus]

I think the hardware mods are on to this thread!

 

[Athlon4all]

I'm not for Intel or AMD. I'll buy what ever's the best performance for the price I want to spend. Now MS, I have allways been a fan of WIndows, but beleive be I think that Windows is supirior to Linux.

 

[mastertech01]

AMD has been using the same socket for years... seems funny that new boards come out for it weekly.. they arent encouraging such blasphemy are they? Same socket, different chipset. Same socket different ram. Same socket different PC compliancy. Dozens of reasons to change motherboards with AMD processors but they use the same socket! No, AMD doesnt force you to upgrade with each series.. but in many cases it would be unwise to shirk the advantages of a 100 dollar investment. Its called upgrading. For some a 100 dollar bill is well worth a 10 percent or more gain in performance and or features. IMHO

 

[Gomce]

yeah but, I bought my Abit KT7 Raid 9 months ago, with Duron 700, now I can buy a 1.3 or 1.4 GH TBird and have a high end system, as for the guys who bought the latest and gratest system from Intel just 2-3 months ago PIV now if they want to upgrade have to change motherboards, sure there is PIV @ 2gh but it gets beaten or almost beaten by the 1.4gh Athlon, so not worthy for me aching for 2.gh PIV. When northwood @ 2.2 gh comes in november the guys with their PIV 1.4 1.5 1.7 1.8 and 2gh would have to buy again new mobo and cpu if they wish to upgrade.

Yes, DDR is the next step for me but 10% improvement definetly not worth it, I will stick to my KT133 for another year, so hmm how much is that? 2 years with high end system and only one upgrade of the processor that cost only 80$ (after selling the duron 700 I need to give only 80$ to upgrade to 1.4gh amd tbird)

 

[damocles]

Intel's shift from 423 pin to 478 isn't exactly a surprise. Its been well know for ages that this would happen, presumably to facilitate the move to .13um. Socket 478 is likely to have a very long life span. I would doubt that any socket has had the longevity of Intel's Slot 1 with the help of a simple slocket. Some people on this board have gone from a 300Mhz celeron to a 900MHz + p3 on the same board.

Socket A will also endure a very good longevity but many Socket A boards wont accept the next gen of Socket A processors.

 

[Athlon4all]

Well Socket A, has had a good fairly long life but it's life will probably end by early 2003. By the Hammer's (both high end and Duron versions) will be out, and cheap and there'll hopefully be no reason not to go with it. Hammer will need a new Socket obviously.

 

[mastertech01]

Socket 423 isnt completely dead just yet.. one nice thing is there is always a certain level of upgrade for each buyer.. You arent going to take that P4T you purchased a few months ago and toss it in the trash with your processor.. You are going to sell it on the for sale forum, or to a friend and get back about 75 percent of your investment. Or you can put it in another box and give it to someone you care about. Upgrade fortunately doesnt necessarily mean total loss of your investment. Just dont buy the hottest items as soon as they hit the shelves... THATS where you take the big losses.

I still often see peeps posting wanted threads for PII boards and processors.

 

[Athlon4all]

Agreed, and I bet many stores will significantley lower prices on S423 both CPU's and mobo's to clear they're stock for S478 so It isn't dead yet, and there will be cases where it may be worth it because of price to get it

 

[erub]

Anand says it isn't hard for an adapter to be made - if you have a nice motherboard and can buy a $20 adapter, why not do that and not have to change everything when you upgrade your processor?