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Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Don't you folks worry. Soon, Republican control of all media will be complete and you won't even have the MSM to watch.

McCain Unveils Measure To End Analog Broadcasts

By Drew Clark

Leaders of the commission that investigated the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks joined Tuesday with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to promote his legislation setting a fixed date for the end of analog television broadcasting.

Under the bill, which was scheduled to be introduced late Tuesday, broadcasters would have to return analog TV channels by Jan. 1, 2009 -- clearing stations numbered 52 to 69 and freeing 108 megahertz of spectrum for other uses, including those of "first responders" to acts of terrorism and disasters.

Last July, the 9/11 Commission recommended that Congress pass legislation forcing broadcasters off four television channels -- or 24 megahertz of frequencies -- that had been promised to public safety officials when broadcasters vacated them.

But the 1997 legislation granting broadcasters a second television channel said they did not need to vacate until Dec. 31, 2006, or until 85 percent of households received digital broadcast signals, whichever was later.

McCain -- who chaired the Senate Commerce Committee until late last year -- said the 85 percent clause "is an impossible goal." He added that broadcasters "have committed several times that they would have that spectrum turned over," and he blasted the National Association of Broadcasters.

"Why they would choose not to act in the public interest is something they will have to answer for," McCain declared.

Said Thomas Kean, chairman of the 9/11 Commission: "There were lives lost on 9/11 because public-safety representatives could not communicate effectively with each other. It is really obscene that four years after 9/11 that we still haven't got this done. Lives could be lost because we haven't passed this important legislation." , chairman of the 9/11 panel. "It is really obscene that four years after 9/11 that we still haven't got this done. Lives could be lost because we haven't passed this important legislation."

In a statement, NAB chief Eddie Fritts responded: "Local television stations provide a lifeline service during terrorist attacks, hurricanes, tornadoes and other natural disasters. We are committed to completing the digital transition in a timely fashion, including return of analog spectrum, and will work with Congress to ensure that millions of consumers are not left stranded by a premature end to analog broadcasting." said in a statement. "We are committed to completing the digital transition in a timely fashion, including return of analog spectrum, and will work with Congress to ensure that millions of consumers are not left stranded by a premature end to analog broadcasting."

The bill introduced Tuesday is similar to legislation that McCain introduced last September, fixing the digital transition at Dec. 31, 2008.

In the House, Energy and Commerce Chairman Joe Barton, R-Texas, has offered draft legislation also setting a hard date of Dec. 31, 2008. And Senate Commerce Chairman Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, said last week he supports a hard date of Jan. 1, 2009.

The new version of McCain's bill includes a $463 million authorization for the government to purchase digital set-top boxes for 9.3 million households whose incomes do not exceed twice the poverty line. The bill McCain offered last year included $1 billion for that authorization.

Barton refused to support McCain's language last year because he wanted to clear the entire 108 megahertz by Dec. 31, 2006.

McCain said he did not want to wait for Stevens to act, although that is expected within weeks. A Stevens aide said the committee is planning a hearing on digital television June 29.

Officials from the Consumer Electronics Association, National League of Cities and Association of Public Safety Communications-International endorsed the McCain bill.


Hey brainiac we are already tentatively scheduled for Jan 1st 2007 to have all open air broadcasts be digital.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Genx87

Hey brainiac we are already tentatively scheduled for Jan 1st 2007 to have all open air broadcasts be digital.

i've heard of this but know little about it - what is the purpose of forcing everyone to get a digital receiver? seems like someone is going to make a killing on the sale of electronics....
 

ECUHITMAN

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XM is only commercial free on a part of the channels you get. So comparing it to NPR makes no sense.

So one or two percent of $400M works out to ~$4M to $8M that NPR gets from taxpayers. I would say that is not too much.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I say kill both of them. There's really no reason for them.

How can a democracy function if the public does not have decent sources of information?
 

ECUHITMAN

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Because some only want their message to get out. And having control of the media is the best way to do it. Let?s just take a look at the rest of the world and history and all the other countries that have/had governmental control of the media. Can anyone name a few?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: Genx87

Hey brainiac we are already tentatively scheduled for Jan 1st 2007 to have all open air broadcasts be digital.

i've heard of this but know little about it - what is the purpose of forcing everyone to get a digital receiver? seems like someone is going to make a killing on the sale of electronics....

I think it will free up channels that are best served for other uses and digital signals have higher bandwidth.
 

judasmachine

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NPR and PBS are great. It's nice to watch shows like NOVA and Nature over some stupid BS crime drama. The only other good stations are The History Channel and The Discovery Channel, and they have to have them FREAKING STUPID MINDLESS motorcycle shows to be able to make the real science and history shows. I don't mind my tax money buying these station at all. It's better than buying a bullet.

Oh wait, I forgot the current admin is anti-science.
 

beer

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: Genx87

Hey brainiac we are already tentatively scheduled for Jan 1st 2007 to have all open air broadcasts be digital.

i've heard of this but know little about it - what is the purpose of forcing everyone to get a digital receiver? seems like someone is going to make a killing on the sale of electronics....

Because that spectrum is very valuable and could be sold to billions of dollars to private companies in addition to providing emergency personnel with spectrum that can penetrate builings more efficiently
 

BDawg

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PBS is the one place on the TV where you can be sure whatever on is acceptable for any child to watch.

It's nice to see quality shows that aren't tainted by commercialism and ratings.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Athens??

was athens ever a country? my ancient history isn't that great....

It was a city-state. Back then Greece wouldn't have been considered a unified country by its inhabitants, it was more a collection of city-states who spoke a common language. Each city-state would have it's own government, and would probably include the city plus outlying settlements.
 

Tiger

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basically the government is trying to cut funding to NPR and PBS
Pinko Propaganda.

The new president of the CPB is demanding that there be comparable "conservative" programming on PBS. PBS has been the great untouched bastion of PINKO thought in this country for years. Since ALL taxpayers pay for it, ALL taxpayers views should be represented. It's time to even things up.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: charrison
Kill both of them.

IF they are worth supporting, they will find funds to stay in business.

It is not about business. They are noncommercial. That is their unique value. We need more alternatives to corporate MSM.

They are noncommercial maybe but you have to put up with them grovelling for money like panhandlers every couple of weeks. I'd rather listen to the commercials. . .at least some of them are entertaining.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Tiger
basically the government is trying to cut funding to NPR and PBS
Pinko Propaganda.

The new president of the CPB is demanding that there be comparable "conservative" programming on PBS. PBS has been the great untouched bastion of PINKO thought in this country for years. Since ALL taxpayers pay for it, ALL taxpayers views should be represented. It's time to even things up.

the programming is what it is - who determines what is "conservative" and what is "liberal"? things are often not as clear cut as this. for fun though - name some instances of liberalism that you find offensive on PBS.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Tiger
basically the government is trying to cut funding to NPR and PBS
Pinko Propaganda.

The new president of the CPB is demanding that there be comparable "conservative" programming on PBS. PBS has been the great untouched bastion of PINKO thought in this country for years. Since ALL taxpayers pay for it, ALL taxpayers views should be represented. It's time to even things up.

LMAO, the truth is neither "pinko" or "conservative". The new president of CPB is a "political activist" hand picked by Bush to make trouble for anyone who dares to tell the whole truth.

ALL taxpayers deserve the WHOLE truth.
 

ExpertNovice

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Assume they primarily pushed a radical right wing agenda. Would you want funding cut?

I would.

Unlike many I also want funding cut now because of their radical left wing agenda.

I'm consistent. Who else is consistent?

Newsweek actually did LIE! :| People DIED! :(
CBS actually did LIE! :| People would have DIED! :(
Senator Kerry LIED! :| Before or After 2000, choose one! :(
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Assume they primarily pushed a radical right wing agenda. Would you want funding cut?

I would.

Unlike many I also want funding cut now because of their radical left wing agenda.

I'm consistent. Who else is consistent?

Newsweek actually did LIE! :| People DIED! :(
CBS actually did LIE! :| People would have DIED! :(
Senator Kerry LIED! :| Before or After 2000, choose one! :(

If that were true, yes. Now could you provide some examples demonstrating their "radical left wing agenda"?

Edit: Why was your sig included in my reply?
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Athens??

was athens ever a country? my ancient history isn't that great....

IIRC Greek city states were nations.

i wasn't clear if they were seperate or in smaller groups or what...

AAAGGGGHHHHHH -- see my post.

AAAGGGGHHHHHH -- see my past tense usage. :p
 

Tiger

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the programming is what it is - who determines what is "conservative" and what is "liberal"? things are often not as clear cut as this. for fun though - name some instances of liberalism that you find offensive on PBS.

Where to start?
Just about anything done by WGBH in Boston.
Now, even without uber pinko Bill Moyers.
Frontline.
A few of the kids shows may not be specifically leftist, but they do have a decidedly politically correct, "progressive" (God, I hate that word.Talk about mis-appropriating a word) bent.

Please don't tell me to turn the channel if don't like the programming. I'm paying for this programming, unlike commercial broadcasting, and my values and should be equally represented.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
AAAGGGGHHHHHH -- see my past tense usage. :p

I have no idea what is going on. I'll just take your word for it: everything is fine, go about your business.